18+ subdomain

minacia

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Maybe this is a controversial suggestion...

But I'd like to suggest that all the 18+ content (specifically the adult/mature/smut/r18 tags) be automatically sorted to an r18.scribblehub.com subdomain.

The idea would be that the r18 site would have its own trending homepage and recent updates list.

The reason for this is that a lot of r18 content regularly sits on the trending tab, which honestly isn't all-ages friendly. Many websites (syosetu, tapas, and others) regularly shove all r18 content into a subdomain to protect their underage readers and serve advertisers better.
 

CheertheDead

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I have been looking for a site that allows me to write very disturbing content which are usually violating Geneva convention and United Nations Human Rights Council. Sadly, i have yet to find place.

Hopefully, a 18+ subdomain will at least allow me to make a small incision into the dark side.
 

OkuraTsukiko

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I can drop some kinky stuff but Imma sit this one out for my story. Since some of the people around me read my story as well. I want to write some 18+ stuff but have to be secretive about it. A subdomain would be helpful tho
 

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Maybe this is a controversial suggestion...

But I'd like to suggest that all the 18+ content (specifically the adult/mature/smut/r18 tags) be automatically sorted to an r18.scribblehub.com subdomain.

The idea would be that the r18 site would have its own trending homepage and recent updates list.

The reason for this is that a lot of r18 content regularly sits on the trending tab, which honestly isn't all-ages friendly. Many websites (syosetu, tapas, and others) regularly shove all r18 content into a subdomain to protect their underage readers and serve advertisers better.
I haven't read the whole thread yet (I need to run off to work six minutes ago), but I wanted to ask something important: if a sub-domain is created, what happens to the r-18 stories from authors that can no longer do anything about it (such as authors who passed away)?

Not a subdomain but I'd recommend a default option where smut (and other 18+ or explicit content of the likes) is automatically hidden until you switch it back on.

Sure, you might as well have bludgeon engagement with the blunt end of the axe but hey, it'll curb the intense smut overexposure this site has. Plus, only those who look for them know.
I like that idea. It would be a similar method on how Newgrounds displays their content.
 

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I like the idea. The r18 here is split into mainly 2 types:
1.) Storydriven with a bit of Smut
2.) Smut driven with a bit if story

It would be nice to put the smut-driven stories on a subdomain. Where the author can specifically put it there, because the target audience will be there and tbey don't have to compete with story driven stories on the leatherboard.

As for storydriven stories with a bit of smut, I think they are fine where they are.

There just have to be an option where readers can petition whether or not to move a story to the r-18 subdomain. Maybe a "flag" and popup with text fields will appear. Where they will fill up the Chapter/s where the smutdriven content started to appear, etc. If the percentage of smut chapters exceeded the percentage of the chapters where the story is, then the mods can decide whether or not to move it to the subdomain.
 

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I would fight against this. My series is sex focused, yes, but it's also legitimate action adventure and there was an entire 40 chapter stretch without any sex, just a good old fashioned dungeon crawl.

Ask for a way to filter all r-18 or smut stuff, not arbitrarily punish the creators of what you don't like by segregation.
 

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If you want to get a more 'fair' competition, then do a different site for fanfics. They are sitting in trending a lot. Also, for all LitRPG novels. They are sitting in trending a lot. R-18 content is very sensitive, but in a different way than you think. Some stories abuse it, okay. But there are stories out there that abuse gender-bender, GL, BL. They are sitting in trending a lot. Are we going to make different sites for them as well?

There are already sites with stricter guidelines. Why does everyone want to take away the diversity and differences? If you want to leave the r-18 novels out of the equation or make authors censor r-18 stuff, we will simply get another royal road or whatever other site there is. If you want to hide R-18 so that the ad will bring in more income, then it would be better to make some kind of a subscription system. A donation system or something similar so that readers and authors will be able to support the site directly.

I'm a small amateur author, and I don't have much say in this, nor can I effectively affect the decision-making. But I hope that ScribbleHub won't change and keep its uniqueness in terms of very mild guidelines.
 

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I would fight against this. My series is sex focused, yes, but it's also legitimate action adventure and there was an entire 40 chapter stretch without any sex, just a good old fashioned dungeon crawl.

Ask for a way to filter all r-18 or smut stuff, not arbitrarily punish the creators of what you don't like by segregation.
Release Filtering can get rid of them for as long as the authors properly put the appropriate genres on their stories.

The request of the OP is more about guest users than logged-in users. Like... People entering the site for the first time ever, especially children/teens, especially if their parents are nearby... Seeing ecchi covers in the main page would pain a bad first impression for the site.
May also be bad for advertisers too. Dunno since I don't own a site and don't really know how strict advertisers are in relation to front pages with variable content that may or may not have ecchi things in it.

... In any case, I think I was in favor towards the request at first, but nowadays I'm quite neutral towards it. I can understand why people would want it, but I also don't feel like it's necessary and I don't think it's worth Tony's time in all honesty.
then it would be better to make some kind of a subscription system. A donation system or something similar so that readers and authors will be able to support the site directly.
Not happening. Readers' money should be going towards authors, not towards the site as a whole. Scribblehub can survive just fine with ad revenue.

The authors don't earn anything from posting in Scribblehub aside from possible patrons (and maybe future buyers for e-books), it's completely against the site's interests to receive user money that could be fueled towards authors instead.
 

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Release Filtering can get rid of them for as long as the authors properly put the appropriate genres on their stories.

The request of the OP is more about guest users than logged-in users. Like... People entering the site for the first time ever, especially children/teens, especially if their parents are nearby... Seeing ecchi covers in the main page would pain a bad first impression for the site.
May also be bad for advertisers too. Dunno since I don't own a site and don't really know how strict advertisers are in relation to front pages with variable content that may or may not have ecchi things in it.

... In any case, I think I was in favor towards the request at first, but nowadays I'm quite neutral towards it. I can understand why people would want it, but I also don't feel like it's necessary and I don't think it's worth Tony's time in all honesty.

Not happening. Readers' money should be going towards authors, not towards the site as a whole. Scribblehub can survive just fine with ad revenue.

The authors don't earn anything from posting in Scribblehub aside from possible patrons (and maybe future buyers for e-books), it's completely against the site's interests to receive user money that could be fueled towards authors instead.
If I'm not mistaken, explicitly ecchi covers are already banned. Then it would mean we need content editors, not another site. Honestly, I don't know about the whole teens who might see bad things. Of course, it's bad. But there are tons of different sites with anime, manga, and so on with the same ecchi content. I don't know if the authors\sites should be responsible for this. And who said teens\childrens won't discover r-18 scribblehub?

As for the ad, I meant to make a voluntary donation possible. I don't think authors should earn anything from Scribble. Those who want to monetize their work will set up patreon and similar things. If you make it so that people would earn money from the site itself, there are bound to be those who abuse\cheat the system. It's just my opinion. I might be wrong. But I think readers\authors directly supporting other authors(site in our case) is better.
 

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If I'm not mistaken, explicitly ecchi covers are already banned
If you mean stuff that is explicitly R-18, you're correct.

Normal ecchi is fine though.
Then it would mean we need content editors, not another site.
All covers need to be approved by Tony before they're visible to the public.
As for the ad, I meant to make a voluntary donation possible. I don't think authors should earn anything from Scribble. Those who want to monetize their work will set up patreon and similar things.
Authors earn from Scribbly by setting up a patreon.

If the user money goes to Scribbly instead, it might not go to the authors themselves.
 

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If you mean stuff that is explicitly R-18, you're correct.

Normal ecchi is fine though.

All covers need to be approved by Tony before they're visible to the public.

Authors earn from Scribbly by setting up a patreon.

If the user money goes to Scribbly instead, it might not go to the authors themselves.
But how an option of a voluntary donation would affect a Patreon? It's not sarcasm. I don't understand why we can't have both. Those who want to support authors will do so. Those, who want to support the site, and site owners\moderators would do so.

If explicit r-18 covers aren't allowed, what is even the reason for making a different site? The r-18 content is flagged with warnings already. The r-18 site will basically have the same content warning. Those who ignore the warnings right now will keep doing so and visit the r-18 site. So is there a reason to do another site other than 'clearing' a trending tab? But there is another problem with this. Gender-bender, GL novels, and fanfics take a lot of trending tab space as well.

Also, I never run a site before, so I can be mistaken here, but let's say it will be done solely for an increment of ad revenue. Will it cover the cost for servers of an r-18 site that won't have any ad revenue?
 

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Also, I never run a site before, so I can be mistaken here, but let's say it will be done solely for an increment of ad revenue. Will it cover the cost for servers of an r-18 site that won't have any ad revenue?
Subdomains often aren't on different servers...

If explicit r-18 covers aren't allowed, what is even the reason for making a different site? The r-18 content is flagged with warnings already. The r-18 site will basically have the same content warning. Those who ignore the warnings right now will keep doing so and visit the r-18 site. So is there a reason to do another site other than 'clearing' a trending tab? But there is another problem with this. Gender-bender, GL novels, and fanfics take a lot of trending tab space as well.
IMO, I don't really think clearing the trending tab is the point.

A lot of sites place their R18 content on a subdomain, like syosetsu, and it's mostly to keep the main site clean for readers who want it to be clean. ScribbleHub's TOS is 13+, so it's very reasonable to say that the home page should be appropriate for all the audiences that use ScribbleHub.
 

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Subdomains often aren't on different servers...


IMO, I don't really think clearing the trending tab is the point.

A lot of sites place their R18 content on a subdomain, like syosetsu, and it's mostly to keep the main site clean for readers who want it to be clean. ScribbleHub's TOS is 13+, so it's very reasonable to say that the home page should be appropriate for all the audiences that use ScribbleHub.
If it's not about different servers then it's okay. As for keeping a site clean, what about people who don't want it to be clean? As for TOS, there is a point that if you are under 18, you must read TOS with parent\guardian and have their permission. How many underage people actually do this?
 

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If it's not about different servers then it's okay. As for keeping a site clean, what about people who don't want it to be clean? As for TOS, there is a point that if you are under 18, you must read TOS with parent\guardian and have their permission. How many underage people actually do this?
I mean the apparent "cleanliness" of a site affects its readership.

Like if you have porn ads popping up on the side of your screen, it's really distasteful and it's like walking into a bathroom full of graffiti. Some people take one glance and immediately leave, and it affects the type of readers that end up staying on a website.

For this reason, a lot of advertisers have options where viewers can report ads if they're porn (or intrusive), mainly because there are a lot of people who don't want see it on an everyday basis. It's one thing to go looking for porn and finding it, but it's another thing entirely to just be surrounded with it constantly, if that makes sense. Protecting underage readers always takes precedence over catering to adult readers, and this is true of any community you join (i.e. nsfw channels on discord that aren't open to underage users).

In either case, I think Tony already changed the trending algorithm so that R18 smut is heavily weighted against on the trending tab... so he basically took the direct censorship route... so I feel like this entire suggestion isn't as meaningful anymore. That said, I still think this suggestion is better than direct censorship.
 

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I mean the apparent "cleanliness" of a site affects its readership.

Like if you have porn ads popping up on the side of your screen, it's really distasteful and it's like walking into a bathroom full of graffiti. Some people take one glance and immediately leave, and it affects the type of readers that end up staying on a website.

For this reason, a lot of advertisers have options where viewers can report ads if they're porn (or intrusive), mainly because there are a lot of people who don't want see it on an everyday basis. It's one thing to go looking for porn and finding it, but it's another thing entirely to just be surrounded with it constantly, if that makes sense. Protecting underage readers always takes precedence over catering to adult readers, and this is true of any community you join (i.e. nsfw channels on discord that aren't open to underage users).

In either case, I think Tony already changed the trending algorithm so that R18 smut is heavily weighted against on the trending tab... so he basically took the direct censorship route... so I feel like this entire suggestion isn't as meaningful anymore. That said, I still think this suggestion is better than direct censorship.
I heard that the owner of the site may choose what kind of ad will be shown. Do correct me if I'm wrong. I know that 'normal' ad won't likely show up on sites with r-18 content. That's why I think direct monetary support to the site will be much more preferable.
 

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But how an option of a voluntary donation would affect a Patreon? It's not sarcasm. I don't understand why we can't have both. Those who want to support authors will do so. Those, who want to support the site, and site owners\moderators would do so.
People have a limit amount of money they're willing to give away as donations to others.

By having the site taking that money through direct donations, you are taking money that could have been used as donations to authors instead.

(I'm considering patreon as donations for the sake of simplifying the argument, for the record)

In any case, nothing like it will ever happen, so no point in discussing this specific point an further.
I heard that the owner of the site may choose what kind of ad will be shown. Do correct me if I'm wrong. I know that 'normal' ad won't likely show up on sites with r-18 content. That's why I think direct monetary support to the site will be much more preferable.
The owner chooses ad providers in general, and those ad providers have a network of ads that they assign to sites.

Generally, they are somewhat curated according to the content of the site, but bad apples always sneak past in one way or another, hence why the report system is important.
 

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People have a limit amount of money they're willing to give away as donations to others.

By having the site taking that money through direct donations, you are taking money that could have been used as donations to authors instead.

(I'm considering patreon as donations for the sake of simplifying the argument, for the record)

In any case, nothing like it will ever happen, so no point in discussing this specific point an further.

The owner chooses ad providers in general, and those ad providers have a network of ads that they assign to sites.

Generally, they are somewhat curated according to the content of the site, but bad apples always sneak past in one way or another, hence why the report system is important.
Okay. Sorry for making you explain these things to me. And thank you for taking the time to do this.
 

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No, this is what the Smut tab is for. 18+ implies all sex all the time, Mature does not.
While this does seem like a good idea at first it looks like it would create problems for writers, like me, who write about dark and mature topics such as mental health, torture, and gore. I do not write smut or even have any sex scenes written at this point of time and placing all mature stories into a new subdomain would make it near impossible for my story and others like mine to get noticed in the wake of all the smut content.
Yes, thank you! That or writers who have sex in their stories but that's only a part of the whole lasagna, not every entry (Smut is lovely for when we want what we want and man we gotta have it NOW or so help me gawd..)
 

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Maybe this is a controversial suggestion...

But I'd like to suggest that all the 18+ content (specifically the adult/mature/smut/r18 tags) be automatically sorted to an r18.scribblehub.com subdomain.

The idea would be that the r18 site would have its own trending homepage and recent updates list.

The reason for this is that a lot of r18 content regularly sits on the trending tab, which honestly isn't all-ages friendly. Many websites (syosetu, tapas, and others) regularly shove all r18 content into a subdomain to protect their underage readers and serve advertisers better.
I mean, technically when everything is blurred together as it is right now, everything is already competing on the same leaderboard.

If the leaderboard is split, it's mathematically easier on both sides. There would be more novels on trending on both sides?
The questions are "How long will it take for people to figure out that there is an r18 subdomain?" and "Once people figure out that there is an r18 subdomain how many will actually use it?"

We already have tags and a Sexual content Content Warning. Adding a new subdomain is going overboard.
 

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Upon registering an account on scribblehub, have a single form section ask for the reader's age. Similar to steam, whenever users try to visit +18 game-pages.
If they lie and say they're 99 years old, nothing SH can do, since they'll bypass the age check regardless.

Auto show +18 content to accounts old enough,
Auto hide +18 content to underage accounts,

If they're hell bent on reading smut, they'll google it regardless of our pre-emptive measures to protect them from exposure.
 

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Maybe this is a controversial suggestion...

But I'd like to suggest that all the 18+ content (specifically the adult/mature/smut/r18 tags) be automatically sorted to an r18.scribblehub.com subdomain.

The idea would be that the r18 site would have its own trending homepage and recent updates list.

The reason for this is that a lot of r18 content regularly sits on the trending tab, which honestly isn't all-ages friendly. Many websites (syosetu, tapas, and others) regularly shove all r18 content into a subdomain to protect their underage readers and serve advertisers better.
I also support this. --Kidd
 
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