Another Gaming Industry Post... Ya'll should start ignoring these from me by now lol

[SailusGebel]

To be fair your target audiance for that thread was really small so its to be expected.

 

[Anon2025]

Fuck me, another bullshit thread that will be milked for months, yet a real cool one, Favorite Fighting Game Character Themes was dead on arrival. I am so sad, somebody play Despacito.

Threads like these are like beautiful women, you milk them but you don't marry them. Once they're used up, you find another one.

 

[anonjohn20]

Fuck me, another bullshit thread that will be milked for months, yet a real cool one, Favorite Fighting Game Character Themes was dead on arrival. I am so sad, somebody play Despacito.

Fighting games are a niche genre, you old man.

 

[Anon2025]

Fighting games are a niche genre, you old man.

That's because people are weak and can't face the fact losing is their own fault.

 

[SailusGebel]

Fighting games are a niche genre, you old man.

I don't even play them anymore, but I like fighting games music.

 

[anonjohn20]

That's because people are weak and can't face the fact losing is their own fault.

• They have a steep learning curve. Spending a while in the training mode to get good is boring as hell.
• Most have bad or mediocre single player modes.
• MOBAs and FPS games have become more competitive, making them more fun for players who only had fighters in the past. Those same genres have more appeal among audiences in Esports than ever before.

 

[BearlyAlive]

Wait, so people finally notice that terrible writing/hiring/programming practices are terrible? Videogames should have gotten the "art" status during ps2 era, would've helped in avoiding a few of the mistakes that were made since microtransactions...

New take on the whole 'DEI destroys gaming' movement: I don't dislike diverse casts, but I really dislike the kind of "diverse" that currently gets pushed by most AAA devs. Is it hard to write a good character that happens to be *insert current trendy minority here*? Heck, most fanfiction writers could do a better job than whatever the current game industry happens to shit out. There's a reason why every 2nd or 3rd AAA game seems to be a remake... That and pushing ugly characters. If I wanted to see a pair of soulless on an ugly and beaten mug, I'd use a mirror. No need, to try to push the ugly asshole that is reality in my escapism...

Games in general should be seen as a form of escapism, not a forum for political ideologies that don't even survive the production cycle of a game...

 

[Gray_Mann]

The forced diversity and race swapping is a different problem than the gameplay issue. The point of this thread was that when it comes to gaming, gameplay can save bad character design and writing, but that often fails because the woke programmers are generally newer generation workers who don't have much experience and are seeking to 'change the ideology' behind a game rather than making a good game.

Hence a lot of games they make suck and don't sell well because gamers talk to each other about how good something is.

As for writing... race swapping, gender swapping, sexual orientation swapping, all that just alienates the fans who have come to expect something from a character that has been in development for a long time. Fans of a franchise who are now introduced to 'new versions' that completely disrespect what they liked before and then are told they are bigots for not liking it are the main problem with woke marketing and writers.

They don't seem to understand how to respect their customer base.

That and woke writers tend to be untalented grifters who get in as diversity hires.

As of late, race-swap/gender-swap, forced diversity, woke trash, poor gameplay issues, terrible hiring practices, AND LEFTIST political leanings.....coincidentally for some CRAZY reason...seem to be going hand in hand over and over and over and over, and have done so since at least 2018.

I only say "coincidentally" because more than a few morons have said this AND believed it. These are also people who happen to have fancy degrees from national/state universities. As I've both said and heard before, education and intelligence often do not correlate.

I only say 2018 because this is when I first noticed it in the gaming scene specifically. For other forms of media, it was even earlier, but it took a little longer to get into the gaming circles because most of these filthy freaks and moronic clowns were too busy ruining the Movie and Comics scene at the time.

 

[Dark_Phoenix_Zaetyk]

So i should not try COD blacks op 6?.

 

[Anon2025]

So i should not try COD blacks op 6?.

It depends. I don't play multiplayer, so it's definitely not worth it for me.

If you find it interesting, go ahead and try it, you might enjoy it. It's just for me, I find almost all the newer COD games lacking in fun, atmosphere, and mission design on the single player. This is compared ot how excited I was when Modern Warfare 2 came out when I was a kid. Even going back and playing it years later without nostalgia glasses on, I can objectively see how the mission design and spectacle is vastly superior to the new 'remakes'.

Still, people like different things. What's trash to me might be treasure to you.

• They have a steep learning curve. Spending a while in the training mode to get good is boring as hell.
• Most have bad or mediocre single player modes.
• MOBAs and FPS games have become more competitive, making them more fun for players who only had fighters in the past. Those same genres have more appeal among audiences in Esports than ever before.

Those are all team games. You can blame your team mates for losing. Fighting games, if you lose it's becuase you're not good enough or you made stupid mistakes.

Your arguments are NOT wrong, but both of our arguments can be true at the same time.

 

[NotaNuffian]

I am too poor to game and totally not my abrasive attitude to others, not at all.

This led to me unable to bond with people who mobile moba or join a public server because:
1. I hate teamplay, even in IRL
2. Skill issue, fuck tons of skill issue that got further exacerbated from getting bodied.

For fighting games, I can't enjoy it because:
1. Skill issues, as in I spam attack and not bothered to learn grab even after the cunts perma block, often resulting in me getting countered to hell.

For gacha games, I can't enjoy it because:
1. I am poor

Anyway, back to the original topic after my awkward confession, I will always look high and far for DEI's intended audience, because I can never find them.

It has gone up to the point of being malicious as seen in the game with two "ass" in its name as they made international news by trying to destroy history, which is an impressive move.

Forcing behaviour is one thing, they have always been trying to do that and will never stop. But at least finish the original targets first before trying the orientals.

 

[Llamadragon]

You... you seriously spent all this time thinking that games were bad because there were women and black people in them sometimes? It didn't occur to you that we've always been forced to play whatever genders and skin colors the devs made the MC whether that be white males, black women, or orange Raymans, and that this doesn't actually impact gameplay?

I, for one, welcome the female characters at least. I'm a woman, so playing a male character always felt trans and that's so woke, so more female MCs actually anti-woke.

Now I just need more bi-gender characters so I can play according to my actual gender, which will finally be how I can escape this enforced trans nonsense in gaming. Seriously, it's so fucking woke how all games until now have made me play another sex than my own. It's like there's a political agenda where I'm constantly being put in the shoes of a man and that's so political. Let me play a bi-gender female so I can finally be a straight cis character in a game, it's about fucking time.

 

[Anon2025]

You... you seriously spent all this time thinking that games were bad because there were women and black people in them sometimes?

You seriously can't read or understand what someone else is writing?

 

[Alfir]

You mean like the tell-tale series?
To be honest, the first Walking Dead was great. Lee was a good protagonist and his journey was human and meaningful.

I also enjoyed the Wolf Among Us, but as time went on their series started to get worse and worse. Mostly because the story telling was lacking more and more.

Yeah, come to think of it, it qualifies as a game with no game play. got the chance to play TWD tell tale and it felt like a visual novel. I enjoyed it a bunch though. Hmmm... I remembered now, most visual novels have no gameplay, right? Phoenix Wright kind of falls short too in gameplay but I enjoyed it.

I think the gameplay isn't the real problem but the marketing. As long as it was 'honest', I'd not hate it. Still, I might dislike it, but at least I wouldn't bombard it with one star. It always goes down to marketing. Having a good demographic and target audience is always important. You know why you are buying a game and when your expectations are met, then you are all good. the game was a success. If you bought a game, and found out it was far from your expectations, you'd obviously hate it.

If a game was failing, it was either you sold it to the wrong people or the game just plain sucked (because the game devs didn't know any better).

I really abhor false advertisements.
Just a funny and disgustingly impossible example, your friend comes to you, "Hey, do you want to play some hack and slash and be really an OP warrior, I will sell to you my Elden Ring at a discount. You get to be a Nord." or something along those lines. If the marketing team didn't know what they were doing, the product would definitely fail.

The point is, it's who make the games. I'd totally play a game even with ugly ass characters as long as the game is fun to play, or the narrative is actually compelling. It seems I'm fine with DEI if the game is actually fun, but somehow I've developed this "ugly characters equals bad game," mentality because quite frankly, most of these games suck and there is a large correlation.

TLDR, - Most Games with ugly characters suck because the makers themselves have no talent in game design.

That's why I considered Skyrim to be the best game. I only discovered it like ten years after its conception and I became a fan immediately. Even went so far as to mod the damn thing again and again. The punchable elves are always a riot, the story is compelling and you have DEI gaming too with no problem. And the gameplay is just as good.

 

[Llamadragon]

You seriously can't read or understand what someone else is writing?

There's a difference between understanding what I'm reading and understanding your argument. You seem very obsessed with DEI stuff. If that wasn't your point, try empathizing your point and stop talking about DEI.

 

[Anon2025]

There's a difference between understanding what I'm reading and understanding your argument. You seem very obsessed with DEI stuff. If that wasn't your point, try empathizing your point and stop talking about DEI.

Then you didn't even read the opening post because none of what you said is relevant. You simply made an assumption and then tried to respond based on your own bias.

People like you are either trolls, stupid, or so blinded by your own self-importance that you lack any objectivity when posting on a forum.

I've said what I had to say about you.

 

[owotrucked]

average AAA corpo intrusive thoughts:

Hmm... To whom should I give money and authority over artistic direction today?
-->actual passionate gamedevs?
-->monetization department?
-->Blackrock DEI consultants who hate gamers?

 

[Anon2025]

Yeah, come to think of it, it qualifies as a game with no game play. got the chance to play TWD tell tale and it felt like a visual novel. I enjoyed it a bunch though. Hmmm... I remembered now, most visual novels have no gameplay, right? Phoenix Wright kind of falls short too in gameplay but I enjoyed it.

I think the gameplay isn't the real problem but the marketing. As long as it was 'honest', I'd not hate it. Still, I might dislike it, but at least I wouldn't bombard it with one star. It always goes down to marketing. Having a good demographic and target audience is always important. You know why you are buying a game and when your expectations are met, then you are all good. the game was a success. If you bought a game, and found out it was far from your expectations, you'd obviously hate it.

If a game was failing, it was either you sold it to the wrong people or the game just plain sucked (because the game devs didn't know any better).

I really abhor false advertisements.
Just a funny and disgustingly impossible example, your friend comes to you, "Hey, do you want to play some hack and slash and be really an OP warrior, I will sell to you my Elden Ring at a discount. You get to be a Nord." or something along those lines. If the marketing team didn't know what they were doing, the product would definitely fail.

That's why I considered Skyrim to be the best game. I only discovered it like ten years after its conception and I became a fan immediately. Even went so far as to mod the damn thing again and again. The punchable elves are always a riot, the story is compelling and you have DEI gaming too with no problem. And the gameplay is just as good.

To be honest I'm not really sure I follow the marketing argument.
The large corporations back in 2014 were pumping out hit game after hit game if I remember correctly and now 10 years later everything is now 'unsustainable' for AAA western developers.

I don't think it's a matter of audience, but a matter of them just not making fun games like they used too. Games are now monetized, tedious and a chore to play rather than fun and engaging.

Skyrim is just as fun today as it was when it first came out. This isn't nostalgia talking though, I played through that game 5 or 6 times just like I played through Fallout New Vegas 5 to 6 times, but Fallout 4 was middling. Like I still prefer playing New Vegas over 4, even if 4 has better shooting mechanics. I feel like it lost a lot of Charm compared to New Vegas.

Then, Bethesda does Fallout 76 instead of a new Singleplayer fallout game which heavily disappointed me.

I think it's a matter of how they're setting up their systems to be sustainable, and I have been finding DEI has been causing a lot of that unsustainability. You compare western devs to developers in Japan like Capcom who have been making money (although they're starting to try and implement DEI now so it'll be interesting to see how that goes). Capcom compared to Ubisoft (on the verge of bankruptcy) had been run very differently for years.

Now Capcom has been influenced to make female characters more clothed, that's a fact, however their games are still fun to play and that is a major difference. Their workforce is still largely based on merit and Japanese culture (a double edged sword from what I've heard of bad work life balance practices in Japan) rather than diversity.

Still good points you brought up though.

 

[Alfir]

I think the problem was everything was eventually becoming too corporate and the bureaucracy might be killing the passion of gaming for gamers and game devs alike. Frankly, I don't know shit about the work environment in a game-making company, used to dream about it in my younger days but it has no market in my country. Still, I could tell the paywall in games smelled a lot of gimmicks only a corporate grunt would think of..

 

[owotrucked]

damn they sneaked updates for concord on steam but it all led to disappointment after all

rip firewalk studios lmao