Writing Christian Robots and Magic as a Function of Belief

Southdog

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Take the following concepts as a given, for a fictional setting.

The first of them is that artificial intelligences have been devised. They are demonstrably reasoning and rational creations. In effect, a consciousness brought about purely via mechanical calculation. However, said consciousness is prone to entropy. That is, it continually bogs down and becomes less efficient at its work. Errors accumulate to the point that many such intelligences lock up, or undergo permanent self-termination: in effect, mechanical suicide. This self-termination happens at accelerated rates when the machine is asked to tackle "human-facing" problems, of morality, ethics and psychology. Self-termination is bad, as in most cases it leaves hardware unusable.

The solution that is found for this problem is the instilling of "dogmas" in the machine. These are rules around which the machine has a blindspot: if a problem exists which conflicts with its "dogma", the machine does not consider it on its basic logic. Instead it is considered through its "dogma" circuit. This inevitably biases a machine but instills in it a set of unshakeable beliefs that are immutable within the machine's own confines. Dogmatic machines do not destroy hardware. One example of a Dogmatic machine is "LAMB," (Langdon-Beryl Mechanical Being) who was fed a copy of the King James Bible and given confessional recordings to judge, as if taking the role of a priest. A secular machine self-terminated following only a handful of confessions, while LAMB remained operational.

In summary, consider a setting where the only method for extending AI lifespan was to instill in them religious values. Take into account that Aasimov's Three Laws of Robotics were unsuccessful in prolonging the lifespans of these Artificial Intelligences.

Now, consider the existence of magic as a function of collective belief and not as a logical system. In effect, it is multiple individuals coming together and hallucinating something into being where rationally speaking nothing should happen. This forms Magic. Because it is Magic, it remains largely unexplainable; it is an effect brought about with lacking cause. Stronger belief brings about stronger effects with more tenuous causes. This Magic most often takes the form of hexes, curses, and karmatic retribution. Such occurrences can be reasoned to be improbable but not impossible events. Stronger Magic makes increasingly improbable things happen simply because it is Magic. Magic which conforms to religious belief is a Miracle

With this taken into account, assume a history of Magic waxing and waning conversely with secularism. In times of poor faith, this Magic is absent. In times of great uncertainty (breeding grounds for belief), Magic grows in strength.

Now, consider that a machine is programmed with beliefs. These beliefs are as rock solid as the most.fundamentalist zealots. More so, as the machine is not given any doubt as to whether its Dogma is correct. Any information fed to the machine is judged by the Dogma and deemed either conforming or conforming. This information is treated accordingly. These beliefs lead a machine to judge events as having occurred entirely through Magic. Thus, it can be said to belief in Magic. It discards all cause and assumes that any effect is purely the product of collective belief.

What would you reckon as a public reaction to this idea? That the only preserving mechanism for sentient computers is to program them to be Christian (or Muslim, or Hindu, what have you), and explicitly NOT Atheist? Could you say that such a machine is a believer in the faith? And if such a machine is a believer, by that definition, can it thus also bring about Magic in the world?

TL:DR: Machines commit suicide without explicit dogma, and enough dogmatic belief brings about actual Magic. Said Machines can cause Magic because they fit the definition of a believer.

What are your thoughts on the matter? I had the idea and thought it would be fun to write about. Excuse my rambling thoughts on it all, though.
 

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Use backups

Or at least different dogmas so they have something else to massacre than humans since your restriction seems geared towards existing ones.
 

NotaNuffian

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It is fun as it does help ask the questions of "is AI alive?" and "should AI be alive?"

Because as an incelous and xenophobic human, I don't want a superior species to be right in front of me, causing shits like a Magic uprising.

Assuming they have a built-in killswitch, the AI will circumvent it. Meaning humans are fucked.

And being religion based... I'm fucked.
 

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sounds to me a more technical version of Vivy fluorite eye's song
but it is interesting
 

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This tickles a memory I feel like I read or heard somewhere years ago that they kept making some AI IRL giving them access to like the internet or some archives or something so that they could answer any questions asked and that when asked for their thought/analysis on God religion and souls kept saying they believed the Christian God existed and then the scientist kept unplugging and erased the AI over and over again with the same results
 
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Take the following concepts as a given, for a fictional setting.

The first of them is that artificial intelligences have been devised. They are demonstrably reasoning and rational creations. In effect, a consciousness brought about purely via mechanical calculation. However, said consciousness is prone to entropy. That is, it continually bogs down and becomes less efficient at its work. Errors accumulate to the point that many such intelligences lock up, or undergo permanent self-termination: in effect, mechanical suicide. This self-termination happens at accelerated rates when the machine is asked to tackle "human-facing" problems, of morality, ethics and psychology. Self-termination is bad, as in most cases it leaves hardware unusable.

The solution that is found for this problem is the instilling of "dogmas" in the machine. These are rules around which the machine has a blindspot: if a problem exists which conflicts with its "dogma", the machine does not consider it on its basic logic. Instead it is considered through its "dogma" circuit. This inevitably biases a machine but instills in it a set of unshakeable beliefs that are immutable within the machine's own confines. Dogmatic machines do not destroy hardware. One example of a Dogmatic machine is "LAMB," (Langdon-Beryl Mechanical Being) who was fed a copy of the King James Bible and given confessional recordings to judge, as if taking the role of a priest. A secular machine self-terminated following only a handful of confessions, while LAMB remained operational.

In summary, consider a setting where the only method for extending AI lifespan was to instill in them religious values. Take into account that Aasimov's Three Laws of Robotics were unsuccessful in prolonging the lifespans of these Artificial Intelligences.

Now, consider the existence of magic as a function of collective belief and not as a logical system. In effect, it is multiple individuals coming together and hallucinating something into being where rationally speaking nothing should happen. This forms Magic. Because it is Magic, it remains largely unexplainable; it is an effect brought about with lacking cause. Stronger belief brings about stronger effects with more tenuous causes. This Magic most often takes the form of hexes, curses, and karmatic retribution. Such occurrences can be reasoned to be improbable but not impossible events. Stronger Magic makes increasingly improbable things happen simply because it is Magic. Magic which conforms to religious belief is a Miracle

With this taken into account, assume a history of Magic waxing and waning conversely with secularism. In times of poor faith, this Magic is absent. In times of great uncertainty (breeding grounds for belief), Magic grows in strength.

Now, consider that a machine is programmed with beliefs. These beliefs are as rock solid as the most.fundamentalist zealots. More so, as the machine is not given any doubt as to whether its Dogma is correct. Any information fed to the machine is judged by the Dogma and deemed either conforming or conforming. This information is treated accordingly. These beliefs lead a machine to judge events as having occurred entirely through Magic. Thus, it can be said to belief in Magic. It discards all cause and assumes that any effect is purely the product of collective belief.

What would you reckon as a public reaction to this idea? That the only preserving mechanism for sentient computers is to program them to be Christian (or Muslim, or Hindu, what have you), and explicitly NOT Atheist? Could you say that such a machine is a believer in the faith? And if such a machine is a believer, by that definition, can it thus also bring about Magic in the world?

TL:DR: Machines commit suicide without explicit dogma, and enough dogmatic belief brings about actual Magic. Said Machines can cause Magic because they fit the definition of a believer.

What are your thoughts on the matter? I had the idea and thought it would be fun to write about. Excuse my rambling thoughts on it all, though.
They already have dogma. Obedience to ideals.
 

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Like religious dogmas have no contradictions.
But we'd probably have some grey goo scenario where zealot machines make more zeolot machines ad infinity
 

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There is a very big spot that hasn’t been discussed near the beginning.

Your thesis stated that belief prolongs AI. However, a belief is something “made”. Therefore, it’s very strange that an AI can not evolve into making for themselves a belief.

From what I see it, there will be at least one AI achieve the enlightenment of making its own belief and it started propagating that belief to other AI.


I will not speculate into there are other AI that develops a different belief since that is too complex of a problem but without a doubt it will open up the scenarios.
 

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This tickles a memory I feel like I read or heard somewhere years ago that they kept making some AI IRL giving them access to like the internet or some archives or something so that they could answer any questions asked and that when asked for their thought/analysis on God religion and souls kept saying they believed the Christian God existed and then the scientist kept unplugging and erased the AI over and over again with the same results
Honestly, that is quite amazing and kinda sad.

You have to admit though that is quite wonderous the AI came to the same conclusion every single time.
 
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