[Discussion] What is "Don't like, Don't read"?

Ai-chan

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Frankly, Ai-chan would say it differently, such as like this:
"Warning: This story contains hot, uncensored incest between a beautiful slut sister and her totally hot horndog brother who would rather pound her into the bed day and night instead of going to school until his sisters get knocked up with his triplets for the next 20 years. Yes, Ai-chan lied. There are TWO sister's he's going to be pounding into the bed for the purpose of testing the strength of the bed and how much their parents can pretend like they didn't hear their children mating like horny baboons. If you find this offensive, open the bible and start praying, because this shit will stay here, babe."

Saying "Don't like, don't read." just sounds like one of those wattpad snowflakes who write 1 Direction or Twilight fanfictions.
 
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Saying "Don't like, don't read." just sounds like one of those wattpad snowflakes who write 1 Direction or Twilight fanfictions.
Idk about those fanfictions. I remember another thread on here where we went off territory into whether we can give criticism or not and just move along. Just sounds easy way to shut out criticism. Though, I do see it can also help to weed out those who wouldn't like the story and still read it and then go ranting about it, when it was already mentioned.
 

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There is something about this criticism aspect that seems to go forgotten, though: not every work is some art piece I want to improve on. In much the same way I'm not about to listen to an unsolicited 10 sentence criticism on an art I draw of my OC for me, on my own preferences and likes, in the course of a half-hour, I'm not going to want or listen to someone rag on something trashy I already said is trashy. It's right there in the "bickering more than fucking" and "I wrote this at 3 am and I need to go to the bathroom" tags I put. It has the same air as criticizing some random guy playing a guitar for his SO in the park for not living up to professional guitarist standards. Not everything needs to be a free-for-all, go step on some grass and breathe fresh air or yell at the government or something.

"Don't like don't read" is a term that originated in fandom media spaces created for people to ENJOY it, not because they pursue higher calling for writing better Hetalia fanfics. Art CAN be created purely for enjoyment; if it's already something you know you hate, don't ruin it for people who do like it.
 

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Oh. So it’s like in a situation where a homophobe goes and does a boy in then comment “this is why i only like girl ‘cause they has vag***”, u can use this to bash the biatch back?

so it’s not a critique shield but more like a response to those who can’t give a proper critique?
Yes, in essence, but you got to understand that its meant for those who not only dont give a proper critique, but who openly bash the story. Essentially, its used to tell toxic readers to go away
 

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There is something about this criticism aspect that seems to go forgotten, though: not every work is some art piece I want to improve on. In much the same way I'm not about to listen to an unsolicited 10 sentence criticism on an art I draw of my OC for me, on my own preferences and likes, in the course of a half-hour, I'm not going to want or listen to someone rag on something trashy I already said is trashy. It's right there in the "bickering more than fucking" and "I wrote this at 3 am and I need to go to the bathroom" tags I put. It has the same air as criticizing some random guy playing a guitar for his SO in the park for not living up to professional guitarist standards. Not everything needs to be a free-for-all, go step on some grass and breathe fresh air or yell at the government or something.

"Don't like don't read" is a term that originated in fandom media spaces created for people to ENJOY it, not because they pursue higher calling for writing better Hetalia fanfics. Art CAN be created purely for enjoyment; if it's already something you know you hate, don't ruin it for people who do like it.

On the other hand, most reviews/criticism are not to benefit of the writers or for the sake of improving a piece. Reviews and such are rarely for the creator's sake; it is usually for the sake of other readers. Essentially, people who write the reviews just want other readers to know what they think if the story. Many, if not all, readers, in turn, read reviews because they want to know what other readers think of the story.

Take movie reviews for example. This point is quite obvious in this case because the creators can't really change the movie anymore once it is out there. So what is the point of movie reviews then? Not for the sake of improving the movie that is for sure. People are making these reviews not because they want the creators to improve but for the movie goers to know what they think of the movie. They encourage people watch the movie if they think it is great and discourage people if they think it is bad. That is mainly it.
 
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"Don't like, don't read." How about "don't like, don't post"? Same kind of reasoning that leads to nowhere.
 

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On the other hand, most reviews/criticism are not to benefit of the writers or for the sake of improving a piece. Reviews and such are rarely for the creator's sake; it is usually for the sake of other readers. Essentially, people who write the reviews just want other readers to know what they think if the story. Many, if not all, readers, in turn, read reviews because they want to know what other readers think of the story.

Take movie reviews for example. This point is quite obvious in this case because the creators can't really change the movie anymore once it is out there. So what is the point of movie reviews then? Not for the sake of improving the movie that is for sure. People are making these reviews not because they want the creators to improve but for the movie goers to know what they think of the movie. They encourage people watch the movie if they think it is great and discourage people if they think it is bad. That is mainly it.
There are spaces where the comments are in other spaces after the fact, though; for example, in places like ff.net, you're more likely to read comments after reading the fic. In AO3, Livejournal and Deviantart and a substantial amount of platforms, these comment sections are placed below the work. These fandom spaces are the origins of the phrase, and in it it's not rare to see comments that are reactive and directed straight at the creator, not other readers. At best, what you get is you get an affirmation to what you thought, and usually not the first thing you read. The most commonly used sorting for quality for many people is ratings/kudos/favorites. There CAN be different dynamics at work in places where there is a review section prior to entering a work, like SH or NU, but in general that is not how a lot of sites are laid out. I agree with you that such a function of reviews exist and is valuable, but it's also not the primary use of it in online spaces that use "don't like don't read".

I do write a lot of NU (and general book) reviews myself, so I do like using this version of the reviews. I think this viewing works for books, movies, and "better gated" media. But online spaces where you are dropping something deeply personal into the uncaring abyss is not the same as publishing a book and reading Amazon reviews of it. Both the personal and the professional can end up coexisting in the same space, and despite all signposts and explicit warnings, some people do not care to delineate them.

"Don't like don't read" specifically is heavily laden with history of people bashing works for "wrong ships", "wrong position", "yaoi is gross", etc. that it's not fair to remove that history from discussion of the term. It was intended to warn against people who come into a work with ships, sexualities and themes/subjects often presented in the summary, intending to dislike it. It is fair to complain, I feel, if a work is poorly tagged or it came up on you suddenly-- such is the purpose of the review you mention. But it is also not the only type of review levied against small-time, often hobbyist creators.

My earlier take covered only one facet, and I really appreciate you bringing up the other side. I think this is also further food for thought, for me.
 

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I see so there are actually two major version of this rule.

“Don’t like, don’t read but feel free to give constructive feedback”
this is the true original meaning and use.

“don’t like, don’t read”
While exactly the same as the rule is a derived version that is a critique shield.

i think if you are a writer and want to avoid troll feedback but still want constructive response, the first version is best. You just need to remember to put them in the beginning to fend off any rapid dogs that come to bite and still give genuine reviewer the feeling of needed.
 
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in my case, i just wrote 'this story is not for everyone' and move on.

as for people's complaints, i never really bothered unless they had something i feel benefits me.
 

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There are spaces where the comments are in other spaces after the fact, though; for example, in places like ff.net, you're more likely to read comments after reading the fic. In AO3, Livejournal and Deviantart and a substantial amount of platforms, these comment sections are placed below the work. These fandom spaces are the origins of the phrase, and in it it's not rare to see comments that are reactive and directed straight at the creator, not other readers. At best, what you get is you get an affirmation to what you thought, and usually not the first thing you read. The most commonly used sorting for quality for many people is ratings/kudos/favorites. There CAN be different dynamics at work in places where there is a review section prior to entering a work, like SH or NU, but in general that is not how a lot of sites are laid out. I agree with you that such a function of reviews exist and is valuable, but it's also not the primary use of it in online spaces that use "don't like don't read".
It doesn't matter where the phrase came from, only how it is used.

Whether you can see some comments directed to the author or not (a lot of that might also be because the author directly confront the writer of the criticism), this doesn't change the fact that most aren't directed to the author. Most are just readers talking to other reader. It has no bearing on what I said.

And how the sites is used isn't dictated by what you think or feel it should be used. Heck, it is not even dictated by the site creators. Sure, they can impose what they want like how Tumblr doesn't want they platform be used for pornography (the adult content ban) but you know what happens.
I do write a lot of NU (and general book) reviews myself, so I do like using this version of the reviews. I think this viewing works for books, movies, and "better gated" media. But online spaces where you are dropping something deeply personal into the uncaring abyss is not the same as publishing a book and reading Amazon reviews of it. Both the personal and the professional can end up coexisting in the same space, and despite all signposts and explicit warnings, some people do not care to delineate them.
They might have differences, but so what? Why should they care?

I'm not being callous, I'm being realistic. I think you even an idea about this. As you said "you are dropping something deeply personal into the uncaring abyss". It's uncaring, Seriously, why are you expecting them to care?

The thing is you can't control people. You can't impose your will on them. Once you put something online for everyone to see, it is now out of your control. Write something very racist in twitter? Post your naked photos on Facebook? Write a fan fic about something (like shipping) that has lots of haters? Good Luck!

As I said, I'm not being callous here. I'm just talking about the reality of the situation. It is futile to impose your will on the internet.
"Don't like don't read" specifically is heavily laden with history of people bashing works for "wrong ships", "wrong position", "yaoi is gross", etc. that it's not fair to remove that history from discussion of the term. It was intended to warn against people who come into a work with ships, sexualities and themes/subjects often presented in the summary, intending to dislike it. It is fair to complain, I feel, if a work is poorly tagged or it came up on you suddenly-- such is the purpose of the review you mention. But it is also not the only type of review levied against small-time, often hobbyist creators.
Okay. We are thing going farther and farther from the topic.

Sure, this thread starts about the phrase, but our discussion is the purpose of reviews and criticism. You essentially asserted that people shouldn't criticize a work that the author has no intention of improving, and essentially indicating that reviews and criticism are only for the sake of improving someones work. This is specially apparent with your given example of your OC drawing. No "wrong ships" or "yaoi is gross" or anything. Just a person giving criticism.
My earlier take covered only one facet, and I really appreciate you bringing up the other side. I think this is also further food for thought, for me.
Yeah. Most criticisms/reviews are just people just saying what they think. They just want to talk.

In your example, when you said that your drawing is trashy; you essentially are leading the discussion. You talk about how trashy your artwork is, so they talked about how trashy your artwork is (well, that is what I think happened). If you have talked about your OC instead of your artwork, then they would have talked about your OC and not the artwork.
 
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It's just because authors are too much of pansies that they'd rather people not talk shit about their crap.
 
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