Do singers who don't write their own songs deserve fame? Does anyone deserve fame?

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I was just recalling someone I used to know who liked to rant about the "star-making machinery" and how the most famous singers these days are fakes because they didn't write their own songs. However, this guy also loved to watch movies and adored certain actors. Actors typically don't write their own lines, though.

Who do you admire and why?
 

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I was just recalling someone I used to know who liked to rant about the "star-making machinery" and how the most famous singers these days are fakes because they didn't write their own songs. However, this guy also loved to watch movies and adored certain actors. Actors typically don't write their own lines, though.

Who do you admire and why?
If you want to enjoy the work of a true artist, then he needs to create the entire song. Yet even for those artists, it's hard to do everything by themselves. They'll either need a beat or an instru to cover, or other people to play more instruments.

If you just expect an interpretation and only care about the voice, then just singing is enough. Most of today's popstars are just singing, everything else is being taken care of by other people in their respective field. There are even people to cover during concerts, so some of them even cheat when chanting.

I remember watching a very interesting interview of DJ Snake where he talked about his life before getting famous with his hit Turn Down For What. At that time, he went to the US with just a few thousand dollars to make beats and instrus for famous singers like a slave (even for lady gaga). It was so hard and not rewarding (because obviously, they paid sht) that after a few months he came back to France with less money than before.

After this, he locked himself in a studio with his last reserve and released a song every day on his Soundcloud. He also said that if Turn Down wouldn't have been a hit, he would have stopped soon after cuz he had smthg like 20 bucks left on his bank account.

People often badmouth electronic artists, saying that it's not 'music' because nobody is singing or whatever other bullshit. But at least, those producers do all the stuff themselves. I have much more respect for a real artist like DJ Snake than a fake one singing on a pre-made instru.

Yet once again, it just depends on your personal opinion.
 

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I was just recalling someone I used to know who liked to rant about the "star-making machinery" and how the most famous singers these days are fakes because they didn't write their own songs. However, this guy also loved to watch movies and adored certain actors. Actors typically don't write their own lines, though.

Who do you admire and why?
Regardless of they wrote the song or not, they should still deserve credit, since singing is difficult. If a singer makes a song, they get extra credit. Simple as.
 

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There are musicians who are very corporate and have writers or buy songs, and some do It all themselves. Just different sides of the business. It doesn’t effect me so I can still enjoy whatever sounds good.
 

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Regardless of they wrote the song or not, they should still deserve credit, since singing is difficult. If a singer makes a song, they get extra credit. Simple as.
“Singing is difficult.” Maybe in the past, but not anymore. Literally anyone can sing now with all the post production editing that goes into making music these days. The things you can do with tech makes singing a joke. You can make the most tone deaf person in the world sound like they have perfect pitch. We live in a world where singers don’t even need to sing anymore. They can literally talk in a flat tone and it can be made to sound like they’re singing.

These days singers are more like a figure head. There to look pretty to sell a product. That product being the song. Of course there are singers who still sing and do things the hard way, but there are so many more who don’t.
 

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“Singing is difficult.” Maybe in the past, but not anymore. Literally anyone can sing now with all the post production editing that goes into making music these days. The things you can do with tech makes singing a joke. You can make the most tone deaf person in the world sound like they have perfect pitch. We live in a world where singers don’t even need to sign anymore. They can literally talk in a flat tone and it can be made to sound like they’re singing.
Live performance is important in the industry. Lower quality autotune hurts ears, though I'm not sure about the higher quality stuff. Regardless, the best stars are by all means very talented in their trade.

Notice that some famous singers are not just good at singing, but excel in dancing, performing, or other aspects of entertainment. Even having a good public personality can be important for business. This does not refute that there are people with no talent climbing far higher than expected.
 

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I was just recalling someone I used to know who liked to rant about the "star-making machinery" and how the most famous singers these days are fakes because they didn't write their own songs. However, this guy also loved to watch movies and adored certain actors. Actors typically don't write their own lines, though.

Who do you admire and why?

Cats deserve fame.

They aren't fake and are true Purr~ Faction!
 

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Live performance is important in the industry. Lower quality autotune hurts ears, though I'm not sure about the higher quality stuff. Regardless, the best stars are by all means very talented in their trade.

Notice that some famous singers are not just good at singing, but excel in dancing, performing, or other aspects of entertainment. Even having a good public personality can be important for business. This does not refute that there are people with no talent climbing far higher than expected.
Really doesn’t matter what else singers do. The topic/point made was singing not being difficult. Not singers. Also, anyone can get a high quality autotune for free if they really want it these days. There are even presets available to get a good autotune. You just need to search for it and you’ll find it. Also, live performances are typically dog shit anyway. A lot will lip sync. And even if they aren’t lip syncing, audio can be altered in essentially real time as well with filters. If you remove those filters if you hear the raw unfiltered singing voice it’s typically a joke. Performances are exactly that. A performance. A magic trick. Once you know the trick and remove the magic it’s a lot less impressive than you think. The tech is honestly more impressive than the singer when it comes to singing if we’re being honest here.

If you’re no longer singing and you only exist to look pretty to sell a product you really don’t deserve to be a “famous singer” you should be known as a “famous performer” or “famous dancer.”
 
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It is an empty argument. There is nothing objective about fame and moreso "deserving to be famous". Well, objectivity itself is more of a meme really, but anyway.
 

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“Singing is difficult.” Maybe in the past, but not anymore. Literally anyone can sing now with all the post production editing that goes into making music these days. The things you can do with tech makes singing a joke. You can make the most tone deaf person in the world sound like they have perfect pitch. We live in a world where singers don’t even need to sing anymore. They can literally talk in a flat tone and it can be made to sound like they’re singing.

These days singers are more like a figure head. There to look pretty to sell a product. That product being the song. Of course there are singers who still sing and do things the hard way, but there are so many more who don’t.
I can’t even sing for 5 minutes straight.
 

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Singer sings. Songwriter writes. Both of them deserve their own fame. Just in different areas.
 

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Nobody deserves anything. When somebody says "this deserves whatever", what they're really saying is "This earned my praise" or "this hasn't earned my praise."

Beyond that, as long as I get the desired emotional journey I want out of something, I don't really care.
 

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I’m going to just say that while song writing is an art, performing it is also an art.

It doesn’t matter how good a song writer you are or might be if you can’t sing and perform it yourself.

Respect the singer for their performance, respect the song writer for their creativity.

Art sometimes requires more than one person. The talk about “star making machine” only applies if people are really shallow and will eat up whatever is thrown at them, but several movies with huge budgets had flopped while some with little budgets and no fanfare have done well.

Goes to show you that there is an artistic desire within the human instinct.
 
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I was just recalling someone I used to know who liked to rant about the "star-making machinery" and how the most famous singers these days are fakes because they didn't write their own songs. However, this guy also loved to watch movies and adored certain actors. Actors typically don't write their own lines, though.

Who do you admire and why?
You have singers who sing.
You have songwriters who write songs.
You have drummers, guitar players, bass players, harp players etc etc etc
And sometimes you have a singer who also is a songwriter

Many people have several talents, and some are specialists in just one field.

The beauty of art is collaboration work.

As a writer you do build up your story, as for beta readers, a designer to perfect your cover and other illustration associated, an editor to correct some errors that escape from your eye, a marketing agent, etc etc

you may do it all by yourself, but working with other people will make it a unique piece.

Hope this helped.
 
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