Future of Scribble Hub

Assurbanipal_II

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Here's the thing, though. Both on RR, SH, and pretty much every single other fiction writing platform community that you can find, there are tons of these strawmen in the flesh. I took the above statements 100% seriously because I have known, being conservative here, dozens of people who meant statements like that with 100% sincerity. Those are the kind of people I'm replying to. If somebody just means to be dramatic when they're saying that without literally believing it, then yeah, I'm wasting my time and just being pedantic, but I genuinely don't believe that most people who say statements like that are simply being dramatic. I've known too many who meant it and not anywhere near as many who were just exaggerating. Furthermore, even when somebody is exaggerating, they're reinforcing the beliefs of the people who aren't. I genuinely wish I could believe that everybody who says things like that are being silly and not genuine.

That aside, what causes you to believe that the success of erotica is overproportional? If erotica is not as commonly successful as non-erotica, how much smaller does its success need to be to be more proportionate? And how we do define what makes a genre overproportionate in the first place? Simply having more of it? In that case, action is overproportionately successful. As is adventure and fantasy. So is romance. Just seems very puritan to me to target one specific (and often controversial) factor that contributes to a story's success when there are other factors leading to significantly higher success much more frequently. People behave, unironically so, that having sex in your story is going to instantly boost its popularity when there isn't really anything to suggest that when you look at the whole picture. Or let me rephrase - that sex in your story is going to boost it more than having literally anything else that is appealing to the site's general audience. At which point, this whole thing is basically "writing stuff that people like makes them like your stuff more." At which point, that's just such common sense and not even worth discussing unless you want to get into the philosophical stuff like why people like what they like, what's the point of having this discussion at all? This entire thread can be summed up as "write what people like and they'll be more likely to read your stuff," yet it's always sexuality being specifically singled out and never the countless other tropes and themes that are significantly more appealing to the general audience.
You are of course right, there are many hit boxes that would deserve to be singled out, albeit sex is a rather extreme example. Maybe it is just the fact that these harem type stories - my erotica definition is relatively broad and not everything has to be explicit - have a small but very active community and therefore more often than not land on the trending page and annoy me with titles like "Why is my Harem World a Yandere Nightmare" and "Slime Breeder".
 

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You are of course right, there are many hit boxes that would deserve to be singled out, albeit sex is a rather extreme example. Maybe it is just the fact that these harem type stories - my erotica definition is relatively broad and not everything has to be explicit - have a small but very active community and therefore more often than not land on the trending page and annoy me with titles like "Why is my Harem World a Yandere Nightmare" and "Slime Breeder".
I'll admit that my erotica definition is far less broad than the average, probably. To me, a story isn't really erotica or porn anything like that unless at least 50% of the story is full-on descriptive sex. But yeah, I understand what you mean. Threads like this just rub me the wrong way since they often point at the sexual factor and then diminish the author's work and quality by doing so, implying that they wouldn't be as successful if they didn't include sexual elements, or implying that other people would be more successful if they just tossed in some random sex. That's the kind of thing that really bothers me. And we could just as easily use this sort of logic to point out any of those other common themes. 6/9 of the front-page trending stories are tagged with "adventure" right now compared against 4/9 tagged with sexual content. If I were the OP of this entire thread, I could say "It's just as I've feared, Scribble Hub is turning into Adventure Hub," = P. Alas, it just always has to be sex that people point out.

I do kinda dig the name "Adventure Hub," though. Anyways, that about wraps up our conversation, I think, plus I have other things I should really probably go and do. Thanks for a conversation that was more fun than I thought it would be. :blob_salute:
 

Assurbanipal_II

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I'll admit that my erotica definition is far less broad than the average, probably. To me, a story isn't really erotica or porn anything like that unless at least 50% of the story is full-on descriptive sex. But yeah, I understand what you mean. Threads like this just rub me the wrong way since they often point at the sexual factor and then diminish the author's work and quality by doing so, implying that they wouldn't be as successful if they didn't include sexual elements, or implying that other people would be more successful if they just tossed in some random sex. That's the kind of thing that really bothers me. And we could just as easily use this sort of logic to point out any of those other common themes. 6/9 of the front-page trending stories are tagged with "adventure" right now compared against 4/9 tagged with sexual content. If I were the OP of this entire thread, I could say "It's just as I've feared, Scribble Hub is turning into Adventure Hub," = P. Alas, it just always has to be sex that people point out.

I do kinda dig the name "Adventure Hub," though. Anyways, that about wraps up our conversation, I think, plus I have other things I should really probably go and do. Thanks for a conversation that was more fun than I thought it would be. :blob_salute:
Oh, dont understand me wrong, I have no problem with sex per se. You can use it, no problem with that. But there is a clear distinction between stories that use sex as an amplifying literary element, legitimate use, and stories which clearly don't.
 

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I'mma just bookmark this if I ever feel like reading a thesis

@Assurbanipal_II everyone else here is standing their ground, but why do i feel welcome reading @AliceShiki's and not yours?
 
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I don't really have that much to add this conversation other than the fact that I can kind of see both sides.

IMO, sometimes reader perceptions about a site can play a bigger role than the reality of the situation.

I think it's important to recognize the premise that many people believe that SH is a much more NSFW platform than many others. Depending on your objectives as a site admin (e.g. Tony), this reputation might mean something or might not.

I'm not sure if my memory is totally clear on this, but I've run across someone saying their writer friends didn't want to post/join ScribbleHub because they felt like the site (particularly the main page) was "incel-y".

And that kind of a reaction is purely the product of reputation and nothing else. I doubt most of the people making these kinds of judgements even read the first page of "Sex Beast System" or "Living as I please, As a loli Demon King" -- yet made a guess to the content purely based on the title and cover. In this sense, it doesn't really matter whether a story is 50% porn or 5% porn -- because the reputation is promoted by people won't even read the series.

If you see yourself as an author (perhaps a shoujo author), and you're clicking around ScribbleHub trying to decide if you should post your story here, it's naturally to click on the series ranking and get a feel for what type of readership the site has.

So ultimately it depends on what kind of site you want and what kind of people you're trying to attract here.
 

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"Living as I please, As a loli Demon King"
If anything's a great example of 'dont judge a book by it's cover', it's this one. While there is sex and lewdness, the title is more literal than anything. After all, as a demon king you can do anything :blobrofl:

i do somewhat agree that there is a more noticeable perception of SH being an ero place. perhaps the biggest solution that could help rectify that is people not giving their ero-stories such blatant and corny names like "Goddess Collector: Every Hole is a Goal" and 'The Strongest Shota'.

Original ero-stories with actual plots can be gems, as a few stories on SH demonstrate quite well. My issue is with all the lazy and uber-corny SI fapfics that have been springing up in SH in the past few months that just barely stay outside the line of 'porn without plot'.
 
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Writing sex into your story doesn't make it cheap and it doesn't make you any less of an author. Sex is like salt to authors, when used in reasonable quantities, it gives flavor to your work. If used over the limit, it turns your work into one hell of a salty, nauseating mess.

What pisses me off is when a story which is basically just one pointless sex scene after another masquerading as 'short, daily chapters' keeps getting to the trending page, cock-blocking actual decent novels from getting that spot. I have seen this happen couple of times on HS and on the back of my mind, I'm always like, 'why?'
 
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By the way, what's PWP?
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It means: Plot, what Plot? Basically pure on smut with little to no depth, usually created by and for those who simply enjoy explicit one-shots or stories whose main focus is sexual content. Not my cup of tea, but each to our own taste.
 

Assurbanipal_II

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I'mma just bookmark this if I ever feel like reading a thesis

@Assurbanipal_II everyone else here is standing their ground, but why do i feel welcome reading @AliceShiki's and not yours?
I recommend you to sue the reply function. Otherwise, I will barely see any of your fruitful comments. As for why you don't feel welcome, well because it was indented so.
 
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