How do you feel about the AWU writer's strike?

Anon2023

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It's a shitty pun xP

Unless you mean my paragraph afterward about houses, in which case I find that a lot of movements that say they're good have something really damning that they aren't dealing with. Like it's not even a skeleton in the closet sometimes because its foundational to the movement.
Personally I try not to support any political movements, but I admit I have biases against parts of certain movements on one side of the spectrum more so than the other, but I was referring to the house part which I didn’t understand.

I do admit I dislike any movement that tries to censor anyone else, and I dislike movements that create conflict over children.

That’s about it. Other than that, I feel people should be allowed to live freely, and have a say in the values of the children they raise (the extent of which I’m not certain since there is too much nuance).

And so you know, there is a transgender elder in a church a friend of mine runs (which I don’t take issue with). So it isn’t cut and dry.

politics has so much nuance to it that it’s a shame that people get offended and we can’t try to figure it out, and I was part of the problem before.
 

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i'm split.

writers on good and worthwhile shows should definitely get a pay rise because they work hard to make good stuff and they deserve it. however, writers who only pump out shit shows as well as writers for daytime and late night talk shows, imo, shouldnt get a pay rise for pumping out shit. that's why i'm always skeptical about blanket pay rises except in important, critical industries.

on the other hand, i remember the last strike 15 years ago (god does that make me feel old) and it killed a lot of shows and damaged a good few others and if this strike goes like that one we may see the same things happening all over again. and you know what resulted from that: networks walked partly away from scripted shows and started pumping out cheap, trashy "reality" shows that plagued the air waves for years until most died off and broadcasters came back to their senses. so the strikes will always have an element of dropping a rock on their own feet.
 

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I didn't know this was happening, but that is great to hear!

Let the sluggish, half-dead, industry cannibalize itself and let independent artists spread their wings and soar.

Artistic vision is best when there is no corporate helicopter mom looming over you. Hollywood has and always will be corrupt to its gills, let's not stop this fat fish from throwing itself in the fire.
 
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what you think about it.



Time for upcoming tv shows and movie to get axed
And on going shows to get weird endings.
 

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You have no business criticizing another's house if you have not yet tidied up your own.
Of course you can! Just because you aren't a pilot doesn't mean you don't know that things have gone to shit when you see a helicopter stuck in the trees.

As long as they don't keep pushing for benefits that encompass poor performing employees it should be fine. They should really not push against AI unless they are fine being known as 21st century Ludites.
 

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That's literally what Woke refers to.
I use Woke to refer to people of those said groups who want to force their beliefs on others. I agree that they should have their place in society, I just don't agree that they have a right to force themselves into other spaces, kind of the same way I don't agree 'christians' should be allowed to force themselves into abortion clinics etc.

I think it's best everyone just leave each other alone, those who want to practice inclusivity may do so and those who wish to practice exclusivity so long as they are not harming others and not using government resources, should also be allowed to do so.

I guess you could say, Woke and Bigot are the same, on opposite ends of the same curve.
 

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I use Woke to refer to people of those said groups who want to force their beliefs on others. I agree that they should have their place in society, I just don't agree that they have a right to force themselves into other spaces, kind of the same way I don't agree 'christians' should be allowed to force themselves into abortion clinics etc.

I think it's best everyone just leave each other alone, those who want to practice inclusivity may do so and those who wish to practice exclusivity so long as they are not harming others and not using government resources, should also be allowed to do so.

I guess you could say, Woke and Bigot are the same, on opposite ends of the same curve.

Yep, and this is how I generally see it used on the net.

Leftwing is, well, anything generally covered under left-wing politics. Media can be left-wing and do it really, REALLY well.

Take ATLA. ATLA is leftwing as fuck (literally the premise is, near-extinct Air Nomad travels across the world to learn cultural appreciation in the form of bending multiple elements and then goes and kicks the ass of the imperial oppressor known as Fire Lord/Phoenix King Sozin. There are also strong-as-HELL female characters in Katara and Toph with wonderfully diverse backstories, an amazing antagonist in Azula, cultural clashing with Toph wanting to rebel against the Bei Fong's traditions, oh and let's not forget GENOCIDE IS BAD. Like, literally ATLA says Don't Be Fascist. Does anyone complain about ATLA being woke? NO THEY DO NOT. Why not? Because it's a damned good story that doesn't need to snipe anyone to appeal to everyone. Oh and icing on the cake, Aang literally defeats Sozin by NOT KILLING HIM AND INSTEAD REMOVING HIS PRIVILEGE.

Edit: ALOK too, with the Korrasami ending. Also Not Woke, because those two had their journeys laid out over four seasons and we GOT to see them develop their bonds with each other. Yeah people complain about ALOK, but like 90% of that is because it's being held to the standard of ATLA which is Downright Unfair.

Star Wars IV-VI? That's left-wing too. Has anyone forgotten that Darth Vader's elite forces are literally called STORM TROOPERS? As in Sturmabteilung, a paramilitary unit of Nazi Germany that literally translates to Stormtroopers? Oh and they function like the Schutzstaffel aka THE SS. Oh and how is Sidious defeated? By Luke Skywalker GIVING UP HIS "TOXIC" (traditional) MASCULINITY (conformance to social role) AND BEGGING FOR HELP. Not Woke.

And a fun anime one: Kuina in One Piece. She was Zoro's childhood friend and rival, who promised him that one of them will become the Strongest Swordsperson (Swordsperson is my edit). One of her pivotal scenes is crying and lamenting that women are physically weaker than men which will severely get in the way of her ambition. She then dies to an adversary the fanbase likes to call Down D. Stairs, which, okay I actually dislike that part, but no one complains about One Piece being woke when it has characters literally fighting traditional gender roles (Kuina, Big Mom, Tashigi arguably), but also its central theme is PRO-FREEDOM, MILITARY DICTATORSHIP BAD (The Marines are a staple antagonist throughout) Still not woke.

Star Wars VII-IX. Rey Skyfucker. Woke. What makes her woke? Let me count the ways: She out-technicians Han Fucking Solo ON REPAIRING HIS OWN GODSDAMNED STARSHIP with zero experience on the matter. She teaches HERSELF Jedi Mind Trick in a cutscene UNDER DURESS, a feat of learning that is SO hyperbolic for the setting that it defies belief. But apparently The Force Is Female so she has magic sorceress powers. She manages to diss, sass, disrespect, and downright insult said Luke Skywalker IN HIS OWN DOMAIN. Remember, that guy who defeated the Fucking Empire the first time?! Oh, she also discovers how to TELEPORT OBJECTS ACROSS ARBITRARY DISTANCE USING THE FORCE despite this never having been done before before! (This technique completely invalidates the plot of Rogue One btw) Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh and at the end of IX, she APPROPRIATES the Skywalker surname and NO ONE CALLS HER ON IT. Sequel Trilogy shat over its entire foundation so that they can hit their key points of Woman Protagonist Is Goddess, and White Men (Han) Are Shit (gets showed up by a complete stranger in his own field).

The most insulting bit about all of this is Disney already DID Strong Female Protagonist RIGHT. When? Star Wars Rebels, featuring Ahsoka Tano. Ahsoka is SO beloved a character that they brought her back in The Mandalorian! Disney had no godsdamn reason whatsoever to make Rey Palpathief and yet.

I've heard that Lightyear, that Buzz Lightyear movie that was supposed to be why Andy has the Buzz toy in Toy Story, completely made the titular character incompetent in service of their message that Diversity Is Good. From what I understand, rookies with different visual characteristics completely show up the trained and battle-hardened Buzz Lightyear to where he just basically apologises, gives control of the mission to them and boom solved. Which is moronic. If you wanted Diversity Good, you could have had one of them suggest an off-the-wall idea that is SHIT on its own, but Buzz sees something there, THANKS the rookie for the idea, and transforms it into something that DOES work because he HAS the experience needed to do that, explaining (NOT "mansplaining": he legitimately IS the SME and those rookies are his charges and part of his job is to help train them) to them where the original idea blundered and why, but more importantly why the idea is amazing and saved their skins. That would be kickass. But they decided to shit on him, and that's what makes it Woke.

I wasted far too many words on this. But the gist of it is, people don't believe Diverse and Woke to be the same thing, and treating them like they do is a really really good way to LOSE vital allies.
 
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Yep, and this is how I generally see it used on the net.

Leftwing is, well, anything generally covered under left-wing politics. Media can be left-wing and do it really, REALLY well.

Take ATLA. ATLA is leftwing as fuck (literally the premise is, near-extinct Air Nomad travels across the world to learn cultural appreciation in the form of bending multiple elements and then goes and kicks the ass of the imperial oppressor known as Fire Lord/Phoenix King Sozin. There are also strong-as-HELL female characters in Katara and Toph with wonderfully diverse backstories, an amazing antagonist in Azula, cultural clashing with Toph wanting to rebel against the Bei Fong's traditions, oh and let's not forget GENOCIDE IS BAD. Like, literally ATLA says Don't Be Fascist. Does anyone complain about ATLA being woke? NO THEY DO NOT. Why not? Because it's a damned good story that doesn't need to snipe anyone to appeal to everyone. Oh and icing on the cake, Aang literally defeats Sozin by NOT KILLING HIM AND INSTEAD REMOVING HIS PRIVILEGE.

Edit: ALOK too, with the Korrasami ending. Also Not Woke, because those two had their journeys laid out over four seasons and we GOT to see them develop their bonds with each other. Yeah people complain about ALOK, but like 90% of that is because it's being held to the standard of ATLA which is Downright Unfair.

Star Wars IV-VI? That's left-wing too. Has anyone forgotten that Darth Vader's elite forces are literally called STORM TROOPERS? As in Sturmabteilung, a paramilitary unit of Nazi Germany that literally translates to Stormtroopers? Oh and they function like the Schutzstaffel aka THE SS. Oh and how is Sidious defeated? By Luke Skywalker GIVING UP HIS "TOXIC" (traditional) MASCULINITY (conformance to social role) AND BEGGING FOR HELP. Not Woke.

And a fun anime one: Kuina in One Piece. She was Zoro's childhood friend and rival, who promised him that one of them will become the Strongest Swordsperson (Swordsperson is my edit). One of her pivotal scenes is crying and lamenting that women are physically weaker than men which will severely get in the way of her ambition. She then dies to an adversary the fanbase likes to call Down D. Stairs, which, okay I actually dislike that part, but no one complains about One Piece being woke when it has characters literally fighting traditional gender roles (Kuina, Big Mom, Tashigi arguably), but also its central theme is PRO-FREEDOM, MILITARY DICTATORSHIP BAD (The Marines are a staple antagonist throughout) Still not woke.

Star Wars VII-IX. Rey Skyfucker. Woke. What makes her woke? Let me count the ways: She out-technicians Han Fucking Solo ON REPAIRING HIS OWN GODSDAMNED STARSHIP with zero experience on the matter. She teaches HERSELF Jedi Mind Trick in a cutscene UNDER DURESS, a feat of learning that is SO hyperbolic for the setting that it defies belief. But apparently The Force Is Female so she has magic sorceress powers. She manages to diss, sass, disrespect, and downright insult said Luke Skywalker IN HIS OWN DOMAIN. Remember, that guy who defeated the Fucking Empire the first time?! Oh, she also discovers how to TELEPORT OBJECTS ACROSS ARBITRARY DISTANCE USING THE FORCE despite this never having been done before before! (This technique completely invalidates the plot of Rogue One btw) Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh and at the end of IX, she APPROPRIATES the Skywalker surname and NO ONE CALLS HER ON IT. Sequel Trilogy shat over its entire foundation so that they can hit their key points of Woman Protagonist Is Goddess, and White Men (Han) Are Shit (gets showed up by a complete stranger in his own field).

The most insulting bit about all of this is Disney already DID Strong Female Protagonist RIGHT. When? Star Wars Rebels, featuring Ahsoka Tano. Ahsoka is SO beloved a character that they brought her back in The Mandalorian! Disney had no godsdamn reason whatsoever to make Rey Palpathief and yet.

I've heard that Lightyear, that Buzz Lightyear movie that was supposed to be why Andy has the Buzz toy in Toy Story, completely made the titular character incompetent in service of their message that Diversity Is Good. From what I understand, rookies with different visual characteristics completely show up the trained and battle-hardened Buzz Lightyear to where he just basically apologises, gives control of the mission to them and boom solved. Which is moronic. If you wanted Diversity Good, you could have had one of them suggest an off-the-wall idea that is SHIT on its own, but Buzz sees something there, THANKS the rookie for the idea, and transforms it into something that DOES work because he HAS the experience needed to do that, explaining (NOT "mansplaining": he legitimately IS the SME and those rookies are his charges and part of his job is to help train them) to them where the original idea blundered and why, but more importantly why the idea is amazing and saved their skins. That would be kickass. But they decided to shit on him, and that's what makes it Woke.

I wasted far too many words on this. But the gist of it is, people don't believe Diverse and Woke to be the same thing, and treating them like they do is a really really good way to LOSE vital allies.
Bruh.
 
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