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Am planning to do that

The MC is insane, but not smart.
So how exactly is he able to overthrow the king then? You cannot overthrow a whole kingdom's government with just one person. Unless you're talking how theyre super OP, has some shiny magic, or is demigod or god themselves.
The motivation is that they want to do it. It can not be expanded anymore. Consider MC to be psychopathic

But he is! There isn't much fun if I make it into a generic one...
Regarding to someone saying just farmer is stale and you say he is but you don't want him to be a generic one...

Kinda sounds contradictory Agentt. You say he is just a farmer but also don't want him to be just a farmer...
Naw, he is just bored. He just wants to wage some wars and call it a day.
Well I guess your story is trying to go for an unrealistic but comedic fantasy effect. To wage war and just call it a day for the simplicity sake of it.

He's not like a king trying to boost ego either that he is strong so he go attack other nations to make him not look weak in front of others. He just a farmer. How is he going to overthrow besides just knowing that he is insane and he does what he wants?

Ngl, but it sounds like the advice people give you - you're just pushing it away. If you already know what your story is like and dead set in how you want to write it as (insane, non smart farmer who uses religion as a plot to overthrow the king) then just go write it already. Why ask for writing tips.

Either that or what ideas are you're trying to look for? The person is just insane and throws over the king. The end. Not much development beyond he just insane and wants to overthrow so he just does it. Unless you're trying to say how he slowly unravels into insanity and thinks the king as the enemy and while the public has a good view of the king, the moment they see the king as a thorn to their religious views, they'll abhor and remove him? What other motives besides religion too? Because like it or not, a lot of others use the cover of "religion" to get something more, be it resources, get away with things, etc.

And unless your MC totally believes in that religion him being insane but also using religion as an excuse to rally support to overthrow the king is a smart move. He may be not that smart, but he ain't a dumb nutcase either.
 

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K, so you know the trope, protagonist gets reincarnated into a world where magic exist, but technology is still backward for some reason, and the protagonist uses his knowledge of science to develop and finally become the king.

What's the twist? Well, I want to include these two points
1. Protagonist is just a farmer.
2. He doesn't possess any system of any sort to guide him.

Simple, right? Well, the first problem is the first point.
Every book I have read where the MC has knowledge of science includes him bieng a noble who has enough money to support his experiments. I have yet to find one where the MC is a peasant and has knowledge of science.
The ones that do have him bieng a peasant from start include a system which guides him throughout. Or he has knowledge of future events.

So, well. Firstly, if you know any work which satisfy these conditions, do reccomend them since I need to get 'inspired' from them.

Secondly, well. How would you have a farmer go and overthrow the current king? The setting is that general public is satisfied with current king but some rebel groups exist. I am thinking of going with the religious route, MC claims he is son of God, king is evil, blah blah blah.
Unfortunately, I do need to fill out those blah blah blah.
First question: No idea.

Second question:
There has been many historical cases where farmer revolution overthrow the current king. Almost every prominent Chinese kingdoms were overthrown by farmer revolution in one way or another. Shang? Overthrown by his own army and slaves over government waste and corruption, replaced by Zhou. Zhou? Weak and decadent rulers gave way to vassal states to overthrow them until Qin came out supreme. Qin? Cruelty of the ruling class caused the people to rise up with Liu Bang at the helm before replaced being replaced by Han. Han? Weakened by the Yellow Turbans, which is a farmer rebellion, until the emperor couldn't hold power and delegated much of his own authority to the eunuchs and later, the generals, who ended Han dynasty.

Russia also suffered a farmer rebellion led by Lenin. Technically it was called a working class revolution, but come on, Russia back in the days of the czar was an agricultural nation. The only reason why the revolution happened was because Lenin found just cause to get rid of the czars following Russia's defeat in WW1.

So basically, if you want to have a farmer character overthrow the current king, multiple factors must come into being:
1) An influential or charismatic leader.
2) A political or economic upheaval.
3) A defeat in war or confrontation that reduce the general perception on the ruling party.
4) A series of high or burdenful taxation or government demands over the people
5) A perceived injustice towards the target group, in this case, the farmers
6) An exploitable weakness in the ruling body that allows the underdogs to perceive having the upper hand.
7) A means to carry out the rebellion, i.e. money, supplies. weapons, food, manpower
8) A will to carry out the rebellion. In some cases, a group of people are unable to carry out a rebellion, either because their spirits are broken or they no longer can see the future.


Sure you can make the protagonist be the son of god or whatnot, but why must they listen to him? What's his evidence that he's the son of god? Were there other sons of gods in the story prior to him to justify people throwing away everything to assist him?
 

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First question: No idea.

Second question:
There has been many historical cases where farmer revolution overthrow the current king. Almost every prominent Chinese kingdoms were overthrown by farmer revolution in one way or another. Shang? Overthrown by his own army and slaves over government waste and corruption, replaced by Zhou. Zhou? Weak and decadent rulers gave way to vassal states to overthrow them until Qin came out supreme. Qin? Cruelty of the ruling class caused the people to rise up with Liu Bang at the helm before replaced being replaced by Han. Han? Weakened by the Yellow Turbans, which is a farmer rebellion, until the emperor couldn't hold power and delegated much of his own authority to the eunuchs and later, the generals, who ended Han dynasty.
Well, yes. I am planning to refer to historical cases. Thank you for the examples.
Russia also suffered a farmer rebellion led by Lenin. Technically it was called a working class revolution, but come on, Russia back in the days of the czar was an agricultural nation. The only reason why the revolution happened was because Lenin found just cause to get rid of the czars following Russia's defeat in WW1.

So basically, if you want to have a farmer character overthrow the current king, multiple factors must come into being:
1) An influential or charismatic leader.
2) A political or economic upheaval.
3) A defeat in war or confrontation that reduce the general perception on the ruling party.
4) A series of high or burdenful taxation or government demands over the people
5) A perceived injustice towards the target group, in this case, the farmers
6) An exploitable weakness in the ruling body that allows the underdogs to perceive having the upper hand.
7) A means to carry out the rebellion, i.e. money, supplies. weapons, food, manpower
8) A will to carry out the rebellion. In some cases, a group of people are unable to carry out a rebellion, either because their spirits are broken or they no longer can see the future.
I don't really want to make MC such an extraordinary character, but doesn't seem there is any way around it. While there is racism and discrimination towards farmers, heavy taxation doesn't exist, neither does any wars or such. I'll see what I have to do here.
Sure you can make the protagonist be the son of god or whatnot, but why must they listen to him? What's his evidence that he's the son of god? Were there other sons of gods in the story prior to him to justify people throwing away everything to assist him?
...while yes, there were many, but all end up marrying the royalty. As for why people should believe him, I am currently trying to think of a miracle he could perform.
 

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First question: No idea.

Second question:
There has been many historical cases where farmer revolution overthrow the current king. Almost every prominent Chinese kingdoms were overthrown by farmer revolution in one way or another. Shang? Overthrown by his own army and slaves over government waste and corruption, replaced by Zhou. Zhou? Weak and decadent rulers gave way to vassal states to overthrow them until Qin came out supreme. Qin? Cruelty of the ruling class caused the people to rise up with Liu Bang at the helm before replaced being replaced by Han. Han? Weakened by the Yellow Turbans, which is a farmer rebellion, until the emperor couldn't hold power and delegated much of his own authority to the eunuchs and later, the generals, who ended Han dynasty.

Russia also suffered a farmer rebellion led by Lenin. Technically it was called a working class revolution, but come on, Russia back in the days of the czar was an agricultural nation. The only reason why the revolution happened was because Lenin found just cause to get rid of the czars following Russia's defeat in WW1.

So basically, if you want to have a farmer character overthrow the current king, multiple factors must come into being:
1) An influential or charismatic leader.
2) A political or economic upheaval.
3) A defeat in war or confrontation that reduce the general perception on the ruling party.
4) A series of high or burdenful taxation or government demands over the people
5) A perceived injustice towards the target group, in this case, the farmers
6) An exploitable weakness in the ruling body that allows the underdogs to perceive having the upper hand.
7) A means to carry out the rebellion, i.e. money, supplies. weapons, food, manpower
8) A will to carry out the rebellion. In some cases, a group of people are unable to carry out a rebellion, either because their spirits are broken or they no longer can see the future.


Sure you can make the protagonist be the son of god or whatnot, but why must they listen to him? What's his evidence that he's the son of god? Were there other sons of gods in the story prior to him to justify people throwing away everything to assist him?
Agreed. There was even someone that tried to claim themselves as Jesus or something in the Qing dynasty....And idk much about ancient china's history, but from what Ik, theres quite a few farmer rebellions or people starting to get unhappy with those in power ruling over them. Those points you made really point out how they came to overthrow the king too.

Here you go, some info about a person claiming to be Jesus's half brother and part of a rebellion.
Failed the exam several times and broke down. Turned to Christianity and got some criticism for some...interesting things. Made a rebellion. Got remains busted out of the cannons for punishment. Yeah, sounds like an idea for your mc.

Interesting, never knew about those female generals also in that too.
 
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So how exactly is he able to overthrow the king then? You cannot overthrow a whole kingdom's government with just one person. Unless you're talking how theyre super OP, has some shiny magic, or is demigod or god themselves.
They have absolutely no power other than they can't get dirty.
Regarding to someone saying just farmer is stale and you say he is but you don't want him to be a generic one...

Kinda sounds contradictory Agentt. You say he is just a farmer but also don't want him to be just a farmer...
Oh, I was talking about that I can't do anything about him being stale, because he is a farmer.
Well I guess your story is trying to go for an unrealistic but comedic fantasy effect. To wage war and just call it a day for the simplicity sake of it.
Well yes.
He's not like a king trying to boost ego either that he is strong so he go attack other nations to make him not look weak in front of others. He just a farmer. How is he going to overthrow besides just knowing that he is insane and he does what he wants?
No idea here too.
Ngl, but it sounds like the advice people give you - you're just pushing it away. If you already know what your story is like and dead set in how you want to write it as (insane, non smart farmer who uses religion as a plot to overthrow the king) then just go write it already. Why ask for writing tips.
It's not that I am blantly refusing everything. There are just some things which cannot be changed due to prequel and sequels. I am asking for tips, well, because I needed steps. Steps like whether to join a rebel group first or straight up raid the land owner's storehouse. Whether to invest in merchants or casinos to generate revenue, and if yes, at what stage? There is also the king's response here. What would seem appropriate, he sends soldiers or does he simply cut off that village's supplies. To create a religion or to end it with just a messenger of god? How to display MC's insanity? Does he rapes? Does he publically executes? Does he collects fingers of his victims? Or does he not show any symptoms at all? Just a normal looking guy who wants the world to end. Does he laughs when he sees murder or does he just shows indifference?
And, well, we have totally not addressed that MC has knowledge of science!
Either that or what ideas are you're trying to look for? The person is just insane and throws over the king. The end. Not much development beyond he just insane and wants to overthrow so he just does it.
Well, yes. It is just a part. It has both a sequel and a prequel. The story could be as long as 3 chapters for I care. It is just filling up a gap.
Unless you're trying to say how he slowly unravels into insanity and thinks the king as the enemy and while the public has a good view of the king, the moment they see the king as a thorn to their religious views, they'll abhor and remove him?
Noted.
What other motives besides religion too? Because like it or not, a lot of others use the cover of "religion" to get something more, be it resources, get away with things, etc.
Another question to be answered, what would be the church's response? Do they recruit him or arrest him for heresy.
And unless your MC totally believes in that religion him being insane but also using religion as an excuse to rally support to overthrow the king is a smart move. He may be not that smart, but he ain't a dumb nutcase either.
He uses it as an excuse
 
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They have absolutely no power other than they can't get dirty.
He needs to have a reason and how to become powerful. No, you can't stay as just a farmer without any big power if you're gonna get into a rebellion. You have to acquire power to overthrow a power. As for the can't get dirty but then using casinos which probably has dirty reputation too?
It's not that I am blantly refusing everything. There are just some things which cannot be changed due to prequel and sequels. I am asking for tips, well, because I needed steps. Steps like whether to join a rebel group first or straight up raid the land owner's storehouse. Whether to invest in merchants or casinos to generate revenue, and if yes, at what stage? There is also the king's response here. What would seem appropriate, he sends soldiers or does he simply cut off that village's supplies.
The king is well popular or public generally satisfied with him, so he probably don't want make it too big that it could implode in his face. Maybe he'll tolerate it but underhand send assassins asap. Or just grow mad and send it believing he has the public support anyways. Depends how you write it as.

Your mc buddy is trying to convince others to follow him religiously...Instead of casinos, since him trying go for a religion and all, do merchants. Spread the word around his cult faster too.
And, well, we have totally not addressed that MC has knowledge of science!
Ah, another isekai?
Another question to be answered, what would be the church's response? Do they recruit him or arrest him for heresy.

He uses it as an excuse
The church may like how he spreads their religion and converts more followers into their religion, however they can also become jealous. See historical figure linked to above.

Unless he oversteps and takes power from them too much, they might just tolerate for his use of spreading their religion. But when he gets crushed by opponents, I would not be surprised they will also want to join in and step on him too.
 
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He needs to have a reason and how to become powerful. No, you can't stay as just a farmer without any big power if you're gonna get into a rebellion. You have to acquire power to overthrow a power. As for the can't get dirty but then using casinos which probably has dirty reputation too?
No, by dirty, I meant literally. Like dirt can't stick on him. A power from God. You just be getting angry now that there was no use of all those charade when MC can just show that and become next Pope. But, no. Doesn't suit MC's character of insanity.
Your mc buddy is trying to convince others to follow him religiously...probably don't bash on his potential followers then. Instead of casinos, since him trying go for a religion and all, do merchants. Spread the word around his cult faster too.
K. Is there anything except merchants though? Like, anything else which travels and sells info? Having just one seems a bit strange since the king controls it too. How about some bandit groups?
Ah, another isekai?
This is a very confusing question to answer. It is an isekai, but not the one in which you get reincarnated. The MC is a resident of isekai. Why he has knowledge of science? That is an answer which I cannot reveal.
The church may like how he spreads their religion and converts more followers into their religion, however they can also become jealous. See historical figure linked to above.
Yeah, that really lengthens this out. MC has to deal with small nobles first. Easy since there is no unity between them. He can literally kill one and the neighbouring one wouldn't bat an eye. Then we come to associations. Then there are neighbouring kingdoms as well. There is the church. Might as well add other religions too.
And well, while this is a sole man doing things, I never mentioned the time. You know what, MC is an elf who lives for 1000 years. That lengthens things out. Also gives a boost for that racism rebellion.
 
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Might be a bit late to the party, not quite sure to what extent you mean the MC is not smart yet has knowledge of science, but he could have an edge like...
  1. Getting lucky. He claims to be the messiah, but people think he's crazy until he 'accidentally' performs a miracle. An extreme example of this could be that he threatens to plunge the world into darkness if people won't have faith in him, and suddenly there's a solar eclipse and everyone freaks out. They start worshipping him, the eclipse passes and boom, he's now the messiah. Possibly cheesy, but effective.
  2. Psychopathic MC commits crimes and atrocities on fellow peasants and tricks them into thinking nobles or monarchy are responsible. Since he caused such events, he could have the means to resolve them, like if he kidnapped someone and hid them, he could say he's the messiah and received a vision that just happened to reveal the location of the kidnapped individual, etc. Plant some evidence of a rival lord's insignia at the scene and how would foolish peasants know any better?
  3. Depending on how much knowledge of science he has, MC could develop better farming technology and/or weapons and armor. Other lords get jealous of their rival's new prosperity and try to steal the tech. If there's magic and nobles have a monopoly on it, better tech that could replace magic would be a major threat to their control. MC tricks peasants into thinking they're being invaded and they retaliate with force, triggering the conflict.
 

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Might be a bit late to the party, not quite sure to what extent you mean the MC is not smart yet has knowledge of science, but he could have an edge like...
Oh, don't worry about that. We honestly haven't gotten anywhere.
  1. Getting lucky. He claims to be the messiah, but people think he's crazy until he 'accidentally' performs a miracle. An extreme example of this could be that he threatens to plunge the world into darkness if people won't have faith in him, and suddenly there's a solar eclipse and everyone freaks out. They start worshipping him, the eclipse passes and boom, he's now the messiah. Possibly cheesy, but effective.
Thank you.
  1. Psychopathic MC commits crimes and atrocities on fellow peasants and tricks them into thinking nobles or monarchy are responsible. Since he caused such events, he could have the means to resolve them, like if he kidnapped someone and hid them, he could say he's the messiah and received a vision that just happened to reveal the location of the kidnapped individual, etc. Plant some evidence of a rival lord's insignia at the scene and how would foolish peasants know any better?
Doesn't really fit with MC's image. He is bored with the world. I imagine him to be of lazy sort. But I will include that. Not MC, but he can tell someone else to do that.
  1. Depending on how much knowledge of science he has, MC could develop better farming technology and/or weapons and armor. Other lords get jealous of their rival's new prosperity and try to steal the tech. If there's magic and nobles have a monopoly on it, better tech that could replace magic would be a major threat to their control. MC tricks peasants into thinking they're being invaded and they retaliate with force, triggering the conflict.
MC is a biology student, unfortunately. The only thing he knows is how to make manure and that already exists. For other things, he lacks both money and tools. He will do all that later, when he is rich. He will bring an industrial revolution of sorts.
So how exactly is he able to overthrow the king then? You cannot overthrow a whole kingdom's government with just one person.
A great line that I will use.
They have absolutely no power other than they can't get dirty.

Oh, I was talking about that I can't do anything about him being stale, because he is a farmer.

Well yes.

No idea here too.

It's not that I am blantly refusing everything. There are just some things which cannot be changed due to prequel and sequels. I am asking for tips, well, because I needed steps. Steps like whether to join a rebel group first or straight up raid the land owner's storehouse. Whether to invest in merchants or casinos to generate revenue, and if yes, at what stage? There is also the king's response here. What would seem appropriate, he sends soldiers or does he simply cut off that village's supplies. To create a religion or to end it with just a messenger of god? How to display MC's insanity? Does he rapes? Does he publically executes? Does he collects fingers of his victims? Or does he not show any symptoms at all? Just a normal looking guy who wants the world to end. Does he laughs when he sees murder or does he just shows indifference?
And, well, we have totally not addressed that MC has knowledge of science!

Well, yes. It is just a part. It has both a sequel and a prequel. The story could be as long as 3 chapters for I care. It is just filling up a gap.

Noted.

Another question to be answered, what would be the church's response? Do they recruit him or arrest him for heresy.

He uses it as an excuse
I think I now have a clear image on what to do now. Thank you everyone! I'll look into the history for references. And, well, I also realise the boringness of my work now, and do have to tweak things a bit. Let's hope this work some day
Adding to the things we have not discussed.
Industrial revolution or agriculture revolution?
How much we gonna invest in seaways?
At what stage to make the education compulsory?
How to deal with people opposing me?
How to deal with races lower than ones of my followers, since they won't consider them humans.
How to deal with technology? Does he encourages it or does he only wants himself to be the only possessor of that.
What about currency? We can put the whole BitCoin incident into this thing.
Forests? You wanna save wildlife or go to the 'pollution is production' pathway.
What about when you get rich, do you go for communist or capitalist path?
 
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Doesn't really fit with MC's image. He is bored with the world. I imagine him to be of lazy sort. But I will include that. Not MC, but he can tell someone else to do that.

MC is a biology student, unfortunately. The only thing he knows is how to make manure and that already exists. For other things, he lacks both money and tools. He will do all that later, when he is rich. He will bring an industrial revolution of sorts.

Adding to the things we have not discussed.
Industrial revolution or agriculture revolution?
How much we gonna invest in seaways?
At what stage to make the education compulsory?
How to deal with people opposing me?
How to deal with races lower than ones of my followers, since they won't consider them humans.
How to deal with technology? Does he encourages it or does he only wants himself to be the only possessor of that.
What about currency? We can put the whole BitCoin incident into this thing.
Forests? You wanna save wildlife or go to the 'pollution is production' pathway.
What about when you get rich, do you go for communist or capitalist path? Or socialist (regulated by govt with some capitalism)?
Maybe you need to slow down first and work out all the kinks in the plot before trying to add so many complex things like revolution and BitCoin and whatnot.

Since your character only knows manure.

Your story is about a farmer who only knows how to do manure. Probably best stick to agriculture revolution. It'll be awhile before he even gets there to industrial (even if a 1000 yrs. Some take long time to change, look at how elves are normally potrayed and look at how a lot of gadgets we use, its version only recent centuries came out as opposed to what we used many, many centuries ago). He is lazy and not brilliant smart like you mentioned earlier...so idk how well he can even industrialize.

MC is bored, and lazy. How does he even get his lazy ass to go revolt against the king then?

Your character has conflicting personalities.
  • On one hand he's clever enough to use religion to persuade people to overthrow the king. And he knows science. Yet the only thing he knows how is to make manure.
  • On one hand he is going to overthrow the king. On the other hand he is too lazy and bored. If he is really lazy, how is he gonna haul his ass to overthrow the king?
  • Or better yet if he is too lazy, how is he gonna decide what kind of infrastructure/education/government type to even build his world up on? Maybe you do need take out the laziness. Cause doing all that does not sound like a lazy person. So much work already.
 
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Maybe you need to slow down first and work out all the kinks in the plot before trying to add so many complex things like revolution and BitCoin and whatnot.

Since your character only knows manure.

Your story is about a farmer who only knows how to do manure. Probably best stick to agriculture revolution. It'll be awhile before he even gets there to industrial (even if a 1000 yrs. Some take long time to change, look at how elves are normally potrayed and look at how a lot of gadgets we use, its version only recent centuries came out as opposed to what we used many, many centuries ago). He is lazy and not brilliant smart like you mentioned earlier...so idk how well he can even industrialize.
I said manure is the only thing he can make currently, since he doesn't have any money.
MC is bored, and lazy. How does he even get his lazy ass to go revolt against the king then?
Ok, well, we can take out laziness then.
Your character has conflicting personalities.
  • On one hand he's clever enough to use religion to persuade people to overthrow the king. And he knows science. Yet the only thing he knows how is to make manure.
  • On one hand he is going to overthrow the king. On the other hand he is too lazy and bored. If he is really lazy, how is he gonna haul his ass to overthrow the king?
  • Or better yet if he is too lazy, how is he gonna decide what kind of infrastructure/education/government type to even build his world up on? Maybe you do need take out the laziness. Cause doing all that does not sound like a lazy person. So much work already.
No one said MC himself has to do these things. How about he employs advisors?
 

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No one said MC himself has to do these things. How about he employs advisors?
Exactly. That is the part where he has to persuade the nobles or anyone who follows him. As earlier posts mentioned, he cannot just overthrow the king without any power. Just kill the king maybe. Overthrow? No, cause then the mc is putting another power in place, and if that is him, then he probably needs some power or control over the government and the country.

That was what I was trying to meant, when your last few posts kept mentioning how he had no power or he doesn't get dirty. (I wasn't talking about not being able to get dirt on him, I was talking about him accumulating power, like politics power and slowly start to amass a lot of people.. I think we got confused cause you didn't realize how I meant getting nobles on his side which made me start to think you're talking about power that's other than politics and control over government). Being able to amass political power there's probably some dirty things they have done to get to that point. Need charisma if he has nothing (like no finances and useful tools as you mentioned) to get people to listen and support his side.

And because he is using religion to persuade people to overthrow the king...he probably wants to project an outside cleaner or holier-than-thou image. That is what I meant by the casinos (not really known for a holy or clean place). This is what I meant by the dirty part, the dirty image, the dirty ways to get into politics.

Aside from merchants, you could have his students going around and travel and spread the word to people which gets them on the ears. Persuade a noble or two that he didn't kill off to follow him and the noble's power (rule, influence) will make people the noble has power over (like his own fiefdom and his peasants and his people) also convert.
 
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Exactly. That is the part where he has to persuade the nobles or anyone who follows him. As earlier posts mentioned, he cannot just overthrow the king without any power. Just kill the king maybe. Overthrow? No, cause then the mc is putting another power in place, and if that is him, then he probably needs some power or control over the government and the country.

That was what I was trying to meant, when your last few posts kept mentioning how he had no power or he doesn't get dirty. (I wasn't talking about not being able to get dirt on him, I was talking about him accumulating power, like politics power and slowly start to amass a lot of people.. I think we got confused cause you didn't realize how I meant getting nobles on his side which made me start to think you're talking about power that's other than politics and control over government). Being able to amass political power there's probably some dirty things they have done to get to that point. Need charisma if he has nothing (like no finances and useful tools as you mentioned) to get people to listen and support his side.

And because he is using religion to persuade people to overthrow the king...he probably wants to project an outside cleaner or holier-than-thou image. That is what I meant by the casinos (not really known for a holy or clean place). This is what I meant by the dirty part, the dirty image, the dirty ways to get into politics.
Ah, I see. Thank you for mentioning that. I was planning to make it like Korea, invest everything in military and nothing else, but I see your point here.
Aside from merchants, you could have his students going around and travel and spread the word to people which gets them on the ears. Persuade a noble or two that he didn't kill off to follow him and the noble's power (rule, influence) will make people the noble has power over (like his own fiefdom and his peasants and his people) also convert.
Ooh, how about housewives too!
 

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Ever seen the movie Ideocracy? It's not quite the flavor you might have in mind, but that's essentially the plot. Man gets frozen and arrives on Earth years later and saves the day by knowing how to grow crops.

It's more of a comedy premise and relies on everyone else being supremely stupid.
 

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Ever seen the movie Ideocracy? It's not quite the flavor you might have in mind, but that's essentially the plot. Man gets frozen and arrives on Earth years later and saves the day by knowing how to grow crops.

It's more of a comedy premise and relies on everyone else being supremely stupid.
Yeah, I have seen that. Pretty good one. Though people will get offended if they make one now.
 

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Ever seen the movie Ideocracy? It's not quite the flavor you might have in mind, but that's essentially the plot. Man gets frozen and arrives on Earth years later and saves the day by knowing how to grow crops.

It's more of a comedy premise and relies on everyone else being supremely stupid.
Haven't saw this movie but a quick search showed that it might be a promising movie that I might watch...

Going back to the topic of the thread...
What if the MC is just a really normal farmer who lives in a normal kingdom... You see as he is illiterate and uneducated, he didn't care about the metropolitan and governmental lives and lives his life farming. Then one day, he found a diary/book of an otherworlder. He took interest in it and translating and reading it became his hobby. He became "educated" about the otherwordly lives and knowledge and saw how "stale" his world is...

Also since he is "lazy", what if his character makes him choose the quickest and easiest answer that surprisingly works? Add the fact that his common sense is different from other people because of the book he read?

Lemme give you an idea of the "laziness" I'm referring. We have a folklore about a lazy boy named "juan tamad", english is "lazy juan". Since he's lazy, he sits directly below a guava tree, opening his mouth and waiting for a fruit to fall in it... you can search for him if you want more comedic stories about him...
 
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Be prepared everyone, this gonna be long. I can't believe I'm writing this for almost an hour.

To build a kingdom, then the first thing that you need is money, the fund as the foundation of your army, and everything that you'll have in the future. I don't know if you get it by robbing or whatever means you can get them. The point is, you have to be capable to raise your own force. And to do that, you need money.

It stated that the MC background is a farmer, then you could just get it by trade. And what to trade, maybe some agricultural goods? Or agricultural tools that you re-invented from your previous life to this current backwater world. Before you begin your dream of overthrowing the current monarch, you need to think about how to make fortunes. Because war cost a lot of them, believe it or not.

And you know there's a lot of successful kingdoms build solely based on trade. In Indonesian Archipelago for example, I'll put it as an example because I am a Javanese and can't be more familiar with the local history, the rising indigenous Sultanate in Sumatera and Java Island around 1400 to 1700 CE came from Moslem Arab traders. The traders married the local king's daughter or other daughters before building their kingdom. Some did it peacefully after converting the local Hindu/Buddhism into Islam, and some warred against the former maritime superpower the Majapahit Empire. However, they mainly trade goods and build good relationships with the neighboring forces before founding their kingdom.

Even at the beginning of the Age of Sailing, the Dutch(and maybe other European Fleet; I don't know, I only learn about the Dutch VOC.) also do spice trade with the local sultanates ..., and as you know, not long after that. The Dutch start with their conquest and monopolize the spice from Maluku Island.

Basically, what I want to say is ..., rake your own fortune first, build your army, and then start your kingdom.
Secondly, well. How would you have a farmer go and overthrow the current king?
Up there ..., I've explained and it pretty long-winded.
Trade, raise army, conquest.
Or have some nobleman listen to him. Mc gave actual advice and the noble, who is more open-minded than his other social class at that time, decided to go for it despite everyone else gawking at why he would believe in such a man and its ridiculous.
Yeah, this is basically what XuYi did in the Magic Industry Empire. He built some convenient tools, and do trading, gain the trust of local people even some of the nobles. After that, he doesn't even need to raise a banner to make the populace join his cause.

You should try reading that one, it's quite fun read.
Read about farmers turned kings in real history. There was even a monk rebelled and turned king. History has some interesting things that is great inspiration for stories, a bit some dark and some really...interesting.
Yep, actual history is interesting in some way. I suggest that you try reading some of the local histories outside of your place. There's a lot of interesting things happened around the world back then. In my place, there's this thief who supported by the brahmin overthrowing the current regime of the not-so-corrupt noble landlord, yeah it's real history.

I'll tell you a short version of this thief become king if you're interested.
The name's Ken Arok, a former thief who murdered his own guru(teacher) after deceiving him ..., basically he's the bad dude.

One day, in some place around East Java ... he served as a servant/bodyguard of this gorgeous married woman called Ken Dedes, the wife of Tunggul Ametung, the current Duke of Tumapel. As he lusted over her, he went to ask for help to the brahmin, borrowing the identity of his former guru(the teacher whom he killed was also a brahmin if I recall it correctly) ..., and with whatever justification and bullshit he'd thrown to them, he gained the support of the brahmin which was the highest caste in that place, at that time. He rallied an army and swiftly attack the duke.

Ken Arok killed the local Duke, just a reminder, there's no grudge or whatsoever this Ken Arok dude with the Duke, he just wants to grab the beautiful Ken Dedes because he can't hold his dick back.) And then claimed his wife as his own and built the kingdom of Singhasari upon the death of the Duke.

That's how the thief built his kingdom, just because he wants to fuck that one pretty woman who's too white for the local brown people.
Do cultural movement or build cults?
You could also make the protagonist be like the devil. Since the world is peaceful, he would offer something that the peace can't make. Say for example, the world is conservative in terms of technology because of religion, his would offer something better.
He could also be the hidden psychopath who acts like the kindest person everyone approves, slowly climbing the social ladder while silently silending annoyances.
I can't agree more than that. Cult and different view in belief is a great spark to start a war, just take a good look at the world history, there's the Crusade, and the war to chase away Hindu/Buddhism power in Java, even the Rohingya conflict on modern-day was because of different in religion.

Maybe the MC can start spreading some cult that worships the god of war. Saying that warring against others is a sacred thing or something. Although that will be a hard start seeing that the MC is just a farmer, and as you said ..., not so diabolically charismatic. You can't just as a farmer bullshitting and garner thousands of followers. Preaching is hard, religion is deep. You need to consider more to go along this path.

Anyway, I can't see a more feasible start than trading. Men can only see the benefits in front of their eyes, if you provide them with this 'benefits' then they'll follow you. As simple as that.
The MC is insane, but not smart.
This is kinda hard, I thought it'd be interesting if he's a schemer. Or maybe have a bit of Machiavellism on him.
Naw, he is just bored. He just wants to wage some wars and call it a day.
But yeah, we all have that time in their life ..., when taking a short nap, and suddenly woke up. Shouting out loud to no one in particular, saying, "I want war, bring me war!".

I now know what's so crazy about him. No one in the right mind would start a war, with such casual and negligible reason.
Agreed. There was even someone that tried to claim themselves as Jesus or something in the Qing dynasty....And idk much about ancient china's history, but from what Ik, theres quite a few farmer rebellions or people starting to get unhappy with those in power ruling over them. Those points you made really point out how they came to overthrow the king too.
This is interesting ..., I thought in the Qing dynasty era there's only Opium War. So there's also something like this happening back in that day.
And, well, we have totally not addressed that MC has knowledge of science!
Yes, even with such simple science ..., combined with magic, you have paved your first step to dominating the isekai! Grab the sulfur, charcoal, and saltpeter! Let's make some preliminary must-have weapon for the non-magician ..., guns!
Adding to the things we have not discussed.
Industrial revolution or agriculture revolution?
How much we gonna invest in seaways?
At what stage to make the education compulsory?
How to deal with people opposing me?
How to deal with races lower than ones of my followers, since they won't consider them humans.
How to deal with technology? Does he encourages it or does he only wants himself to be the only possessor of that.
What about currency? We can put the whole BitCoin incident into this thing.
Forests? You wanna save wildlife or go to the 'pollution is production' pathway.
What about when you get rich, do you go for communist or capitalist path?
1. If the people there aren't well-fed enough maybe because the agriculture is too primitive, you should probably start with the agricultural revolution first before moving onto the magic-industrial revolution. Making some magic fridge when there's no food available, that's kinda funny and putting the cart before the horse.

2. I don't know how to answer this question, sea trade is good ... but it's also a high-risk business.

3. When the kingdom already on the run and you have a grasp on your own territory.

4. Two options, make peace or more war.

5. There's no such thing as a lower race of people and higher race of people, nor superiority of some race of people over the other ..., except for piety. Encourage tolerance and equality. Hatred and prejudices because of racial difference will cause chaos in the kingdom, it might be not now ... but it was like a frog which boiled slowly in the pot; there'll be time in the future that they will unleash all of their accumulated hatred.

6. Although it's true that monopoly could bring you material benefits ..., but spreading the technology and let others study, develop, and research it on their own will encourage overall world development. Of course, there's some confidential and sensitive technology such as the gunpowder making technology, steel-making metallurgy, cement making process ..., that is some of the core technology that you should try to keep by yourself. That is ..., if you did successfully bring them in the isekai. Maybe you can make some kind of patent or something.

7. Make your own currency! Finance is the foundation of a nation. Minting a national currency is the first step to a stable government.

8. Don't know about environmental thingies ..., let them extinct for I don't fucking care about that shit topic. I'm not a tree hugger. Though if there's an elf, I might convert into a tree hugger for a beautiful long-eared elf.

9. You know ..., I think it's best if you don't 'import' earth existing ideology to the isekai. As you see, the people there might have a different socio-historical event than the earth. If it's about economic movement ..., just encourage trade. It is better to have more money.
Yeah ..., maybe you can cultivate some coca leaf and brew cocaine and start Isekai Drug War. You could ruin the upper nobles with this, and leech all of their wealth to your pocket. And if the MC is crazy enough to do this ..., I say, he's one of a villain.
 
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