[No joke pls] Is it a crime or justifiable?

CheertheSecond

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To be honest, most if not all of my threads never truly die. There is a good reason why there is a rule to not reopen old threads but there is also justification to revive old threads too.

These days, I don't know if people are afraid of ressurecting old threads because they heard someone said they shouldn't or if they truly understand the reasons behind it.
 

Omnifarious

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To be honest, most if not all of my threads never truly die. There is a good reason why there is a rule to not reopen old threads but there is also justification to revive old threads too.

These days, I don't know if people are afraid of ressurecting old threads because they heard someone said they shouldn't or if they truly understand the reasons behind it.
People are probably afraid of necro-ing because the rules say not to necro and they read the rules.

Just to be clear, I dont particularly care about breaking the no necro-ing rule, but i will seize every opportunity to post a picture with an amusing line.

Wherever possible...
 

CheertheSecond

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People are probably afraid of necro-ing because the rules say not to necro and they read the rules.

Just to be clear, I dont particularly care about breaking the no necro-ing rule, but i will seize every opportunity to post a picture with an amusing line.

Wherever possible...

People created the rules to not revive old threads because old threads usually contain outdated information. Replying to outdated information is a form of spam. Its original intent is to avoid spamming. For example, an old thread discussing whether May 2018 will be a month of no rain or not. This old thread has no reason to reopen anymore because May 2018 has already finished and people had already known the result. If they want to dispute the reasoning, there are other threads to be made for that purpose. Replying to obsolete info like this is pretty much spam, and by spam, it means giving a comment that does not contribute to the discussion in the thread like that amusing picture you posted.

The current thread that we are in has no such thing as obsolete information. The question is still legit and you can still contribute to the discussion and be relevant. Hence, it has never died in the first place.
 

Terrate

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When murder has a LEGIT reason, then it stops being a “murder” and it becomes a justifiable self defense resulting in Homicide. Though I don’t think murder would have a real legit reason unless it really is mostly about Homicide.

Murder - Treachery, price or reward, with great ruin, evident premeditation, basically anything that would make it planned.

Homicide - Unjust killing. Any killing that wouldn’t fall on murder’s elements.^

EDIT: Dam, so this was an old thread, OP probably is now the most enlightened person to know about Murder and Scam after a whole year.
 

miyoga

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My information comes from my studies in Australian Law.

Murder is still murder. In the law you have two things that make up the crime. The Mens Rea (Intention) and the Actus Reus (physical action, which in this case is the killing of another person). In the end, you still intentionally planned to murder a person regardless of circumstance (unless there's a self-defence element involved). An accident for example would turn it into manslaughter because the intention (Mens Rea) was never to kill someone, but the actus reus still doesn't change because you still did kill someone.

A scam is considered a scam not because of an outrageous deal. People will literally pay thousands for a piece of steak. A scam is when you're intentionally misleading people to make them cough up money your way, usually without fulfilling your end of the bargain or simply using a trick to take money (i.e, the African Oil Prince Scam where scammers asked for % of money to open a locked oil prince's account, promising to pay X back. Looks lucrative and too good to be true).

Both in the case for a loss of life, but mostly the action because someone actually has to die for it to be manslaughter/murder. Without it you can be charged for conspiracy of a murder, etc.

On the other hand an example of a crime committed where the intention doesn't matter is a traffic crime, like running a red light. Your intention doesn't matter here. What matters is that you DID cross that red light.
Adding into this on the subject of murder/justifiable homicide, a lot depends on how far you take it after the fact. If it can be proved that you had a grudge against the deceased, and the body was completely mutilated near to the point of being unrecognizable/unidentifiable, then you stand a far greater chance of being tried for manslaughter or a similar charge because intent could be inferred. While there are various defenses that could be presented, you still face that possibility because of the history between the dead person and the one that killed them.

With scams, these are much harder to tackle because most of them originate from countries other than yours and target those in your country. Because of the international aspect (and authorities/politicians in certain places being corrupt AF and taking bribes or joining the payroll), this becomes nearly impossible to counter. There's a lot of youtubers who discuss and deal with this exact thing. Some of them are able to shut down the scam call centers, but it goes back to the authorities not doing anything beyond basically saying "oh, there's a scam? that's nice. It's in this city? Huh, I'll have to look into that in about 5 years."

And to counter Syringe on his "red light", in some cases the intent does make a difference, such as a medical emergency where an ambulance could not be reached and the person is in need of immediate medical attention. While this can be somewhat planned for, if a woman is not in active labor when you go to the hospital, they may just send you back home and tell you to wait. In this admittedly rare situation, police will call it in and then provide an escort taking note of the license plate number to put into their action report. Other situations may not be as easy to plan for (such as a child with a continuous fever of 40*C/103*F or higher) but would be easily identified and accounted for.
 
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