NTR knee jerk

[SailusGebel]

Wait, then how am I to interpret your first post?

Of course there's no 1:1 relation. What I mean is a sort of overcompensation, similar to the increase in aggressive/toxic behavior if you're in doubt about yourself.
Not every macho hides a frail inside, nor will every insecure man channel it through misogyny.
But I doubt the like/dislike of something is completely unrelated to one's own views and impressions

On the other hand I'm kind of going off topic. I wanted to learn about the NTR haters, not the fetishists.
And all I have for those right now is trust issue.

Half of NTR scenarios are extremely forced and stupid as fuck, so it might be one of the reasons why people hate it. NTR is stupid.

 

[greyblob]

Wait, then how am I to interpret your first post?

Of course there's no 1:1 relation. What I mean is a sort of overcompensation, similar to the increase in aggressive/toxic behavior if you're in doubt about yourself.
Not every macho hides a frail inside, nor will every insecure man channel it through misogyny.
But I doubt the like/dislike of something is completely unrelated to one's own views and impressions

On the other hand I'm kind of going off topic. I wanted to learn about the NTR haters, not the fetishists.
And all I have for those right now is trust issue.

1st post is about ntr in general, mostly as a fetish.
2nd post is how it's usually interpreted in storytelling.

I'm not sure I get what you're talking about. I might be too tired to think right now, but I doubt the reason for hating NTR is anything particularly deep. It's just that no one wants to be cheated on, and usually readers immerse themselves as the main character, which is usually the one getting cucked. If you switch the roles and the MC is the one cucking someone, the feedback won't be anywhere as negative.

 

[Zirrboy]

Half of NTR scenarios are extremely forced and stupid as fuck, so it might be one of the reasons why people hate it. NTR is stupid.

While my first reaction was to take this as a joke, this is almost starting to make sense.

Especially given the ever present group of people who just cant wait to tell you why they think a certain genre is shit.

 

[GodlyKamui]

I do have a question, though. What if the NTR and the cucking didn't happen to the MC but as a side character instead? Would that deter you from reading a novel?

 

[SailusGebel]

While my first reaction was to take this as a joke, this is almost starting to make sense.

Especially given the ever present group of people who just cant wait to tell you why they think a certain genre is shit.

Let's take away those stories where mc has a comically small penis, which is already stupid and probably targeted at insecure men. Most of the other reasons for girls to cuck mc are stupid ones. And even if the reasons aren't stupid, those authors will implement them in a nonsensical way. Funny enough, it's the reason why I actually don't hate NTR. The stories are so dumb, I can't connect with the MC, nor do I get angry at infidelity\cheating.

 

[greyblob]

I do have a question, though. What if the NTR and the cucking didn't happen to the MC but as a side character instead? Would that deter you from reading a novel?

as long as it's not the mc nobody will care

 

[GodlyKamui]

 

[Zirrboy]

Let's take away those stories where mc has a comically small penis, which is already stupid and probably targeted at insecure men. Most of the other reasons for girls to cuck mc are stupid ones. And even if the reasons aren't stupid, those authors will implement them in a nonsensical way. Funny enough, it's the reason why I actually don't hate NTR. The stories are so dumb, I can't connect with the MC, nor do I get angry at infidelity\cheating.

I did mention this in my original post, but that's part of the reason why I'm so curious about this.

Most NTR out there is so blatant and/or awkward that you would, in my opinion, have to actively seek to get attached to the characters.

 

[SailusGebel]

I did mention this in my original post, but that's part of the reason why I'm so curious about this.

Most NTR out there is so blatant and/or awkward that you would, in my opinion, have to actively seek to get attached to the characters.

When a person sees NTR for the first time, he\she is so shocked that they need to vent this frustration somehow. Thus they rant about it. After a month or two, they will probably avoid the genre, and there won't be any crusades and stuff. So there aren't actually that many NTR haters. People dislike it cause they saw this one story; they didn't look into this genre more and try to understand how absurd NTR is. They react to every mention of NTR negatively cause they are scarred.

 

[BearlyAlive]

NTR is "betrayal fetishized", as a friend of mine put it.

A fact I always tend to find amusing is that the ones getting NTRd and SOL harem protagonists are pretty much one and the same.

 

[CupcakeNinja]

I was traumatized by NTR

Heh

People who enjoy NTR, enjoy it for what it is-- a fictional fetish. They wank and move on. People with vendettas against NTR are typically the ones with insecurity issues.

For example, scat is very very very niche. You won't see scat-haters, because they just avoid and don't interact with it. Full stop. NTR-haters, however, will go on crusades claiming those who like it or are involved in it need to die. It's the surest sign you know they are the ones consuming NTR the most.

I always see these type of people in NTR hentai. Always bitching, saying its trash, fat bastards need to die, blah blah blah.

I dont see a single person who enjoys NTR going to vanilla hentai and talking shit about it, tho. That's telling.

I’m pretty okay with all the fuckeries as long as it’s not NTR.

All of them? Cool, lemme direct you to infant rape hentai then.

Half of NTR scenarios are extremely forced and stupid as fuck, so it might be one of the reasons why people hate it. NTR is stupid.

That's exactly why its dumb that people actually hate it. I mean its always nonsense about blackmail and then rape. And not even GOOD blackmail that can actually ruin your life, just dumb shit like shoplifting or cheating on a test or some other nonsense.

How the hell are people getting so pissy over shit like that? Its porn. There is zero character build up or attempts to establish attachments.

 

[BlackKnightX]

All of them? Cool, lemme direct you to infant rape hentai then.

Give me your contact.

 

[LordJoyde]

I just don't see how a self-respecting person can enjoy any form of NTR, therefore I do not respect the fetish.

 

[Olga_Haus]

I’m so immune to it as a fetish or genre that I can end up writing it by accident just while telling stories. Which would be fine in most spaces. People don’t interpret stories of infidelity in soaps or drama as ‘ntr’ or ‘cucking.’ That’s not how audiences talk about Breaking Bad or X-Men. That’s a particular peculiarity of the sort of fiction we’re doing here.

But it’s such a sensitivity!
‘Betrayal’ looks a lot like ‘Betrayal fetishised’ to an audience hypersensitive to ‘betrayal fetishised’

Chapter 5 of my novel sees a HUGE drop off in readers who nope out at that point, and I’m sure that’s because it sets people’s ntr alarm bells off. It absolutely isn’t ntr - it’s a poly relationship - but I think people get a whiff of it and run screaming

 

[Discount_Blade]

Can't say I've looked too much into hentai. I mean the first (and almost the only one) NTR I've ever even looked at was called NTR Kanoko - Suzumori Mizuki written/illustrated by Satou Kuuki. This was literally a little over a month ago, so just know my knowledge on hentai in general is severely lacking. Can't say I look at much of it. I also only looked at it because someone sent me a link and for whatever reason, declared that it was getting a hentai anime adaptation. I'd almost swear the guy was promoting/advertising it to me for some reason.

Anyway, aside from the forced situations, the logic of NTR is hilariously amusing. I mean, from what barebones little I know of all NTR situations, it seems to me that they would end in real life with someone calling the police, telling their (apparently normally a male) lover/husband/etc. what was going on, or just flat out saying "fuck you" before the actual NTR sex scenes would even begin. So, to me, the NTR genre, in general, is extremely unrealistic and illogical because, from my outsider POV, the whole thing could be easily avoided. Like the one I mentioned here, the whole situation could have been avoided by literally calling the police, leaving the camp, or just flat out speaking to someone at the camp the first time the dude even looked at her funny. And since women tend to control courts nowadays, just cry a little and they almost always win the court case against a male defendant, NTR just isn't realistic.

Idk. I can understand the hate if someone has experienced infidelity, or just in-general has trust issues, but otherwise, I can't say I get what the problem is.

It's like polyamorous relationships I suppose for me. I find them disgusting, and while I don't go out of my way to shame them, I have no good feelings for them or the people who engage in them. But that's their business and I rarely find the time to talk about them or even think of them. It should be the same way for people who dislike NTR. Dislike it, but don't bother thinking about it if it bothers you.

Personally, yandere is far more upsetting to me, since I've had in my dating history, more than one ex-girlfriend that turned crazy-obsessive and ended in life-threatening situations.

 

[Echimera]

I really dislike NTR in stories I plan to get invested in, or at least would want it properly tagged so I know what to expect. Especially if it's something permanent it just drags the story down for me and I have dropped stories over that.

My hentai collection on the other hand has more NTR and mind break-y stuff than I'd normally admit, but I largely ignore any and all 'plot' that might be there anyway and just look at the interesting parts of the pictures.

 

[T.K._Paradox]

It is a niche thing that certain people like, it isn't for me so I don't consume that product.

I have better things to do then get in arguments with people that do like it.

 

[K5Rakitan]

I find it disgusting from a cultural standpoint. Nobody wants their partner leaving them for another person. Not monogamous people, not polyamorous people, not swingers. It makes people feel inadequate, insecure if they think it is normal to be abandoned for someone else.

If a partner leaves, it should be for reasons that don't involve an additional person. Break up because you don't agree on how clean the house should be. Break up because you don't agree on how many children you want or how they should be raised. Break up because you want to live in different cities and don't feel like you can manage a long-distance relationship.

 

[BearlyAlive]

I personally like NTR as a fetish. Especially doujins about harem protags getting cucked. But I also like mindbreak and corruption and stuff.

One of the most fun discussions I had was when I tried to convince a vanilla comedy harem fan that there's almost no difference between the harem protags and the guys getting NTRd (only difference being that the latter one actually gets laid). It ended with him awakening to his Netori fetish, which is just NTR from the POV of the one stealing instead of the one betraying or getting stolen from.

Another thing I noticed then is the relation between liking harem works and NTR. People who dislike harems seem for some reason more open to NTR as a fetish than avid harem fans.

"Normal" betrayal of a liked character still hurts both types the same, tho.

 

[Varstark]

It's a fetish that's never going to explored truly realistically or vividly by most, because it would be vomit-inducing, enraging and too emotionally dangerous, and not titillating at all. Most of them honestly feel divorced from the average real life experience, which is good and fine. A lot of the time it's mostly a caricature and fetishism of sex and gender, whether it be inequality of talents, luck or physical blessings between two men, a woman thinking with her vagina unable to pass over chad and his dick or just a dude getting off on his masochism.

That it gets hated and mocked is perfectly normal and sign of a healthy society that knows where its virtues and boundaries lie. Being cheated on is honestly one of the worst, more likely experiences a person will have living in a peaceful society, and that trauma has a high likelihood of sticking with you until the day you die.

Another thing I noticed then is the relation between liking harem works and NTR. People who dislike harems seem for some reason more open to NTR as a fetish than avid harem fans.

Maybe it's because NTR can easily trap you emotionally, but harem is harder to pull off? Negativity registers in our minds easier than positivity does, after all.