On Defining The "BL" Genre

What would you prefer the BL and GL genres to be called?

  • Boys Love and Girls Love

    Votes: 9 45.0%
  • M/M and F/F

    Votes: 8 40.0%
  • Gay Romance and Lesbian Romance

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Gay Fiction and Lesbian Fiction

    Votes: 3 15.0%
  • Male/Male and Female/Female

    Votes: 6 30.0%
  • Men Loving Men (MLM) and Women Loving Women (WLW)

    Votes: 1 5.0%

  • Total voters
    20

Moonpearl

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That's a good idea! I have to admit that I don't frequent NUF nearly as frequently as SHF so I only see the threads over there once in a while when I accidentally stumble over them on the main page. But I guess I'll have to keep my eyes open from now on :blob_melt:
There are frequent requests for BL recommendations every single day, so there are plenty of opportunities even if you're lax about it.

Sometimes they're really specific, though.
 
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Quick question,

Are Seme and Uke still a staple narrative tools in BL novels? Or is it now a relic that died out in the 90s?

Have the genre evolve and show other paradigms of relationship dynamics? Or are this trope still alive and well in the majority of BL novels?
 

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Quick question,

Are Seme and Uke still a staple narrative tools in BL novels? Or is it now a relic that died out in the 90s?

Have the genre evolve and show other paradigms of relationship dynamics? Or are this trope still alive and well in the majority of BL novels?
Still a staple!

There are definitely stories that don't have seme/uke, or switching/reversible couples, but they are not nearly as popular, generally speaking.
 

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Oh for god's sake!
Call it Orange and Lemon for the smut
Yuri/GL and Yaoi/BL for the non smut.
Everything else make it LGBT Love or whatever.
Every single sane person knows those terms and this is dragging forever
 

DarkGodEM

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Quick question,

Are Seme and Uke still a staple narrative tools in BL novels? Or is it now a relic that died out in the 90s?

Have the genre evolve and show other paradigms of relationship dynamics? Or are this trope still alive and well in the majority of BL novels?
We still use it for Yaoi and Lemon... but only japanese ones
 

Moonpearl

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Oh for god's sake!
Call it Orange and Lemon for the smut
Yuri/GL and Yaoi/BL for the non smut.
Everything else make it LGBT Love or whatever.
Every single sane person knows those terms and this is dragging forever
Lemon has a different meaning... And we have the smut tag for smut. We don't need anything more for that.

I think you may be lost about what this conversation is actually about?
 

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Lemon has a different meaning... And we have the smut tag for smut. We don't need anything more for that.

I think you may be lost about what this conversation is actually about?
Unrelated for a second; what the fuck is orange and lemon?

Scratch that; how deep is the rabbit hole of terminologies for gay fics? I'm hearing new stuff everyday and it's blowing my fucken mind.
 

Moonpearl

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Unrelated for a second; what the fuck is orange and lemon?

Scratch that; how deep is the rabbit hole of terminologies for gay fics? I'm hearing new stuff everyday and it's blowing my fucken mind.
Those aren't gay terms - they're really old and outdated terms for internet smut fiction/fanfiction. Like, Quizilla old.
 

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Those aren't gay terms - they're really old and outdated terms for internet smut fiction/fanfiction. Like, Quizilla old.
When I don't even know what Quizilla is, I'm pretty sure they're very very old terms! xD
 

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When I don't even know what Quizilla is, I'm pretty sure they're very very old terms! xD
Quizilla was Wattpad, but worse. It was an interactive quiz-making site full of young teenage girls doing what they do best: personality tests and terrible erotic fiction.

There were a ton of quizzes that were just stories, allegedly for the reader to directly self-insert into, with a couple of questions spread out. Usually they were titled things like "Who would date you - an angel, a demon, or a hellbeast?"
And they always had stolen anime art to represent the boys.
If you were lucky, you got actual response options and they would pair you with your most suitable/sought after boy in the results sections. The more honest ones just literally let you pick which boy you liked best every question to give you the final fanservice scene.

And even though it was "which one is yours?", it was honestly just pure harem fanservice for girls who liked guys.

Also there were so many clone stories about an edgy emo reader-insert being told she was engaged to some vampire prince or something, taken away to this great mansion/castle where she was given everything she wanted, and got to have this enemies-to-lovers "romance" with her bethrothed, who was always a shitstain.

God, Quizilla was like no other.

So what in Odin's right cumsack is orange and lemon?
They both mean erotic fiction. There was a whole citrus scale, very little known. Lemon is sex and orange is apparently just slightly sexual hugging???

More on it here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Lemon
 

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Unrelated for a second; what the fuck is orange and lemon?

Scratch that; how deep is the rabbit hole of terminologies for gay fics? I'm hearing new stuff everyday and it's blowing my fucken mind.
Much agree.

^^ The terms scare me too because I only recently discovered that the name of my main character in the book actually means "bottom" in one such terminology :blob_teary: . Which is so frustrating because now I am afraid that people would think I referenced that intentionally, and I just had no idea...

The name was cute, and I just liked it +_+.

(And he even isn't one, at all :blob_no:).
 

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Quizilla was Wattpad, but worse. It was an interactive quiz-making site full of young teenage girls doing what they do best: personality tests and terrible erotic fiction.

There were a ton of quizzes that were just stories, allegedly for the reader to directly self-insert into, with a couple of questions spread out. Usually they were titled things like "Who would date you - an angel, a demon, or a hellbeast?"
And they always had stolen anime art to represent the boys.
If you were lucky, you got actual response options and they would pair you with your most suitable/sought after boy in the results sections. The more honest ones just literally let you pick which boy you liked best every question to give you the final fanservice scene.

And even though it was "which one is yours?", it was honestly just pure harem fanservice for girls who liked guys.

Also there were so many clone stories about an edgy emo reader-insert being told she was engaged to some vampire prince or something, taken away to this great mansion/castle where she was given everything she wanted, and got to have this enemies-to-lovers "romance" with her bethrothed, who was always a shitstain.

God, Quizilla was like no other.


They both mean erotic fiction. There was a whole citrus scale, very little known. Lemon is sex and orange is apparently just slightly sexual hugging???

More on it here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Lemon

Citrus F/F -> Orange is F/F explicit hentai
Lime M/M -> Lemon is M/M explicit hentai
Grapefruit is Kink, NTR, Inversion etc.


These terms are still used nowadays for hentai and anime. Don't know what makes you guys think they are that ancient. Makes me feel ridiculously old...
 

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Citrus F/F -> Orange is F/F explicit hentai
Lime M/M -> Lemon is M/M explicit hentai
Grapefruit is Kink, NTR, Inversion etc.


These terms are still used nowadays for hentai and anime. Don't know what makes you guys think they are that ancient. Makes me feel ridiculously old...
I haven't seen that stuff used in almost a decade... Maybe it still exists in some corners of the internet, but they're by no means mainstream anymore.

Also, not everyone watches hentai.

This thread started as a discussion about how to classify works featuring m/m couples that were actually intended for the consumption of queer men, and those created purely for women to enjoy.

It then morphed into other m/m related discussion.

The question of how to separate porn from non-porn wasn't asked. Here, we just mark it smut if it's porn, and nothing else needs to be said?
 

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The terms scare me too because I only recently discovered that the name of my main character in the book actually means "bottom" in one such terminology :blob_teary: . Which is so frustrating because now I am afraid that people would think I referenced that intentionally, and I just had no idea...
I wouldn't worry about that. If somebody points it out, just say "Ah, yeah, it sounds similar but it's different with a completely different character" :blob_sweat:
 

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Makes me feel ridiculously old
Not sure where you got those horrible specifics from, but the citrus scale is at least two decades old, and it originally was really just a linear scale of lewdness. It went like this:

Citrus < Orange < Lime < Lemon < Grapefruit.

With citrus being very mild stuff on the level of accursed handholding, lemon being the mainstream "normal" smut, and grapefruit... We don't talk about grapefruit. That is the territory of things that are not safe for brains.
 

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We don't talk about grapefruit. That is the territory of things that are not safe for brains.
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Not sure where you got those horrible specifics from, but the citrus scale is at least two decades old, and it originally was really just a linear scale of lewdness. It went like this:

Citrus < Orange < Lime < Lemon < Grapefruit.

With citrus being very mild stuff on the level of accursed handholding, lemon being the mainstream "normal" smut, and grapefruit... We don't talk about grapefruit. That is the territory of things that are not safe for brains.
I don't know how I missed all of this... this is my first time hearing this...
 
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