SailusGebel
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I'm sure one of my responses to designs in this thread contained the word generic. So yeah, I used this word.Aaaa I see the thread has turned into something else. But ayyyyy I'm gonna just post here and say that I kind of get you, from a design perspective. Maybe I don't agree with the tone or how it's being said, but I definitely agree that you've got a point there.
The term you're probably looking for is probably the word, "generic".
Like, basically saying the girls have very similar features in terms of design. It's hard to tell one from another when these features don't contrast each other enough to stand out to an onlooker or a reader. Someone would see it and be like, "Oh, that's pretty!" and move on because they've already seen stuff like that.
It's actually a recurring problem in anime, since it's highly influenced by moe culture. Girls in anime need to be pretty in a generic sense to be appealing to the multitude of moe-otaku guys in the demographic they're targeting. There are garment differences but... yeah, hair, eyes, face... they're pretty similar to each other for the most part.
For example, guy characters have more varied designs in mainstream works:
Popular girls for anime usually are along these lines:
The design approach to male and female characters is pretty stark....
But I think asking the guys to design a character that looks flawed might cost them readers and viewers. It just can't be helped. Risks can be expensive!
A recurring problem in anime... But, it isn't though? Popular girls in anime, this isn't the only ones though? Generic designs are present in generic animes. Rem was freaking dwarfed by Echidna whose design is much better. She has especially hairy\bushy eyelashes and it became her distinctive feature. Aqua was always less popular than Megumin. And so on.
Just google it. Google girls with black hair from anime. You will be shocked that although there is a lot of them, every girl has a distinctive feature. Either a hair accessory or a different hairstyle. While those girls who have SIMPLE long dark straight hair aren't that popular. Why Esdeath became popular? Why Satsuki Kiryuuin became popular? Why Himiko Toga became popular? Why Mikasa Became popular?
I literally have no idea why you think that those you listed are popular, while those I listed aren't. And I either have no idea why you think MALE mc is more distinctive. Are you kidding? Issei Hyoudou High School DXD is DIFFERENT from Yuki Rito from To love ru? Hida Kizuna is different from Ichika Orimura? Four heroes from the top of my head and all of them are identical. But they are from the same genre though? Okay. Haru Yoshida and Hotaro Oreki. Design difference for male and female is stark, yeah-yeah, of course...
"But I think asking the guys to design a character that looks flawed might cost them readers and viewers. It just can't be helped. Risks can be expensive!"
A picture-perfect example of what I mean when I say that people don't understand me. Who said I'm asking for a flawed appearance? I'm asking for a distinctive feature that will make a person stand out. We aren't drawing here. Different artists can visualize the same text description of the appearance differently. That's why when you are introducing a 'flaw' it isn't equal to making character uglier. It's equal to making the character stand out more.
A bit more of her appearance will be appreciated. The first part describing her personality is good. The second part is bad. Why does she love to pamper people? What are her hobbies? The things she likes\dislikes? Her flaws? There is a reason why she treats bad things as a mistake or accident, right? Is this a case of self-deception? I know you tried to use five sentences, add a bit more for me.I may be a guy myself, but I can't help but ask for opinions about my characters, you know?
Name: Aina Regalius (Unreleased yet)
Visuals: Cute, short (5'1"), has low ponytail. She usually wears a hood to hide her appearance. In the future, her battle gear has her wearing oversized-yet-controllable gauntlets as her main weapon along with her magic.
Description: She's very shy and introverted, seeing as she was isolated and hidden away for reasons unreleased (yet) in my novel. At her young self, she's the shyest of them all, hiding from everyone at all times except when she's with her first friend which she loves dearly. In the future, she becomes more extroverted, more outgoing, especially with her first friend. She's the type of girl that will pamper you wherever you are, so long as she has the privacy and time to do so. She's very kind and patient as well, treating everything bad the first friend's doing to her as a mistake or an accident.
What do you think? A little over the top?
Realistic yet she can use magic? Well...Okay...Hey everyone! I’ll take a stab here, I guess! I’m curious on the thoughts, especially since my character’s so different from most of the others that are on this site/web-publishing, lol. As a note—she’s not meant to be written like a waifu or someone that’s necessarily attractive—she has a ton of superficial ‘flaws’ and emotional ones as well. Just want to preface it with that, since that’s not the intention, but I’m curious to gauge what guys would think!
The (messy) artwork was also drawn by me; latter is a cover idea I scrapped—the book is meant to be realistic and not anime-based; this was for my own artistic/cartoony rendering of her, but I’m always someone that says authorial intent doesn’t matter/death of the author, so you see her however you like; the written description’s more important in my opinion!
Jacinta - a 23 year-old blood witch!
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Visual details: seemingly and deceptively soft body type at first: a curvier figure, with a smoother chin and rounded nose—but she’s all jagged and harsh. Deep-set, angry eyes with purple bags; bitten-down nails; a halo of curly (and sometimes coily; there’s a difference haha) dark brown hair; thick brows, rounded nose, full and dark lips. She’s short but very strong, but with a disabled body, and a guarded sense if/when contact comes her way. She carries herself with focus and slight contempt, more at herself and the world than anyone in particular. She’s living paycheck-to-paycheck, so clothes are all secondhand, but compliment her figure in a lazy way without much styling—they highlight her curves, but often have holes in them that she has to re-sew. She’s slightly bitter that she’ll never be ‘pretty’ just because of societal norms, but has had some sexual abuse; she’s made peace with it and her own self-image (in theory), but aches to be someone, anyone, else (and she ends up becoming other people/things through the story as she goes into different dimensions—men included). When she uses magic, her veins rise and light comes off certain parts of her body in galactic blooms.
Personality/background/5 sentence stuff: extremely hard-working—she was handed a bad deck of cards in life, with a missing father, taken/dead mother, and a little sister to take care of…all while being illegally living beneath the system in an alternate US. She’s perpetually exhausted, often bitter, but is a passionate, strong-willed firebrand; when it comes to protecting her sister or her best (and only) friend, she’ll do anything. She lacks time to dedicate to herself and has set aside her own life to simply survive and have her sister succeed, but used to be a planner, always tight-laced and strict and as perfect as possible, living an immigrant life to ‘work twice as hard to get half as much’ (as the saying goes). She was honest and blunt, but followed the rules until she couldn’t—so she’s now working on her magic, breaking the rules, in order to save her sister and get strong enough to help her. She’s biromantic, gray-asexual (still coming to terms with it, but generally leans towards women), and will gradually let herself open up—both in the romantic sense and the emotional sense.
Also, oop looks like I stumbled in at literally the perfect time, discussing non-generic characters haha. I don’t watch much anime, but part of the reason why I tend to be a little off-put from it is the lack of diversity in designs for female characters, and how they pander to certain demographics in doing so. I mean, I get it from a business sense, but media echoes real life :/ I’d personally prefer to have a less conventionally attractive main character and have less of a following, hence Jaci above, haha. Though I do understand why people would have a more appealing MC and characters; no shade to anyone else ofc; just agreeing with the wonderful points that Lin made )
Anyway, I like the design and personality. Perhaps she is slightly overloaded with small details. It's my feeling, not an actual critique. Maybe cut off a few small details and add a bigger one? I don't know how to phrase this.
Also, this point. She is strong but has a disabled body? Perhaps it's my English that is bad or a case of a misused word, but I don't understand this point.
Perhaps I get this feeling because I didn't discover her traits\visuals in the story and it was simply 'put' here in a bulk. Anyway, I can't get this feeling of thinking she is 'overloaded' away. However, the thought behind her design I like.
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