Story Theory: Heroism is Key to Great Stories

[Story_Marc]

This is a little theory I've concluded so far, based on my research and experiences. Plus, it sets up the next series, where I'll first go into greater depth into heroism, as I detest people who claim that it is subjective/a matter of perspective.

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

You lost me when you started talking about fruedian psychology. I reject the ideas posited by such a man.

 

[Story_Marc]

You lost me when you started talking about fruedian psychology. I reject the ideas posited by such a man.

I see you missed the part where I say I would have as well if not for others touching on similar things and me just using it as a framework for communication.

It's why I don't reject things out of hand, even if it comes from sources I'm not the biggest into.

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

I see you missed the part where I say I would have as well if not for others touching on similar things and me just using it as a framework for communication.

It's why I don't reject things out of hand, even if it comes from sources I'm not the biggest into.

No I saw that, but the damage was already done.

The reason I reject it is because frueds ideas clash with biblical reality. Religious clash you see.

Edit: I do agree with you about heroism being important and the progression from entertain, teach, reach is an interesting way of organizing things.

 

[Thraben]

You lost me at 'heroes are a/the psychological cornerstone of the storytelling experience'.

While I can agree that heroism is indeed one of the core character traits that goes into many characters across many genres, the existence of a significant number of fictions not including heroes not as a deliberate choice but simply because they don't need to disproves that claim as well as the claim of the video title.

I'd hear an argument that learning to write heroism is important for learning to write great stories in general, your working definition of heroism, while likely one of the only ones broad enough to belong in proper discussion of storytelling as a whole, is functionally meaningless on a case by case basis.

That last point isn't a criticism, it's a fundamental reality of subjectivity that you can't get over especially when the thesis of the video is already disproven by basic observation.

I like what you want to get across, but you need 30 more minutes of time spent talking to do it and someone arguing for the opposite side and the neutral stance at least in order for it to work I think.

 

[FluffyGura]

Well I haven't watched the video but I just wanted to leave my 2 cent, I believe it's because we as human have something called a 'conscience' or aka moral code. We as reader of course prefer to read stories that conform to our sense of justice and stories that actively stimulate our positive moral codes.

Furthermore, people may just like to envision themselves as super heros because hey who haven't dreamt of having super powers before lol.

On the other hand,if the main character is evil. Readers may tend to feel uncomfortable or downright disgusted by the actions of the main character and scare them off. Hence heroism make great stories because justice and being a hero is associated with greatness and combine that with a story, you get a great story.

Of course tis but nothing the small rambling of a gura shark.

 

[melchi]

No I saw that, but the damage was already done.

The reason I reject it is because frueds ideas clash with biblical reality. Religious clash you see.

Edit: I do agree with you about heroism being important and the progression from entertain, teach, reach is an interesting way of organizing things.

The only thing from fruedian psychology used in the video is appealing to the ego. Even if someone rejects Frued's stuff some of his terms are rather mainstream. People complain about certain stories having ego death of a certain mind wiped character for example. I doubt they have ever studied Frued's teaching. And the idea of a hero predates Sigmund by quite a lot. He could make the same video and just not use the term ego or superego and it wouldn't be much different.

 

[HuaiChi]

The concept of the hero's journey is more important than the hero itself. One could take the journey but end up doing something that no one calls a hero, maybe even becoming a villain. The journey is important, not the result.

 

[Tsuruya]

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