tips on writing isekai'd nations

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so, i wanted to write my own generation of isekai but it's a whole nation, like a few others have already done on this site, giving my own couple of spins; as a history nerd I decided on a ww2 era, alt-history Italy; but starting to actually write this has been a struggle, I am not sure about what angle i should take about this, like should i focus more on some characters? go more for the bigger picture?

also how would the government deal with such a thing in an era before mass media were really a thing, and the most advanced communication device was long-range radios?
also, I am posting this thread pretty late and might go to sleep soon, so sorry If i don't answer fast
 

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so, i wanted to write my own generation of isekai but it's a whole nation, like a few others have already done on this site, giving my own couple of spins; as a history nerd I decided on a ww2 era, alt-history Italy; but starting to actually write this has been a struggle, I am not sure about what angle i should take about this, like should i focus more on some characters? go more for the bigger picture?

also how would the government deal with such a thing in an era before mass media were really a thing, and the most advanced communication device was long-range radios?
also, I am posting this thread pretty late and might go to sleep soon, so sorry If i don't answer fast
The characters should be the focus. Because if you make the wider view the story it will suck because it’s just steam rolling. Like who would win Ron Paul with Hulk Hogan body, roids and an AR or some stinky malnourished guy with femdom fetishes snd doesn’t know what a shower is. They used to have like cable wires and the printing press still existed.
 

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The characters should be the focus. Because if you make the wider view the story it will suck because it’s just steam rolling. Like who would win Ron Paul with Hulk Hogan body, roids and an AR or some stinky malnourished guy with femdom fetishes snd doesn’t know what a shower is. They used to have like cable wires and the printing press still existed.
i actually did not plan on much steamrolling at all. but you have a good point
 

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Generally nation building is done as background info for the author to reference. Most of the info is left out of the story unless it becomes relevant.

Even ol Tolkien did it that way. The reason there's a world book at all is mainly because his son got his notes together and published it.

Think of it like DnD map making. The DM has all the info in a notebook, and it's referenced when the players make decisions that require it. Often 80% of the info goes unused.
 

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First off, this sounds amazing and I'm already interested.

I would say focus on IMPORTANT characters, like the general of an army or the ruler of this Alt-Italy, not some farmer in a random village in no-where-land. Although like anything, there are exceptions. If it fits with the plot and isn't shoehorned in, add it.

This is a bit more opinion based but I believe it still counts. Don't flip-flop between POVs in the same chapter too many times (2-3 at the most), even then I would suggest sticking to just one per chapter. This allows the reader to better understand the characters and the story, while not getting confused about what's going on. I would also suggest don't publish anything under 2000 words, but that's my opinion. I generally try to go for 2000-4000 words per chapter.

Assuming there is going to be magic, don't make it a hard counter to every single earth technology, that's extremely boring to read--at least for me. At the start, it will be difficult to fight against, like anything first encountered. But after a few months, new, basic methods of dealing with magic should start to roll out into the armed forces.

Moving onto the armed forces, this is where the Alt-history part comes in or we start to bend the reality stick. My understanding is that their air force was garbage and their army had constant infighting from the generals and officers (I might be completely wrong in saying this so take this point with a grain of salt). Here, you can either go with the realistic option and have this Alt-Italy work with this mess, or the pretext of this being an Alt-Italy and simply say at some point that these problems were fixed before this story started.

As for communication...I'm honestly not sure. All I know is it would be slow and it would likely take weeks or even months for news about anything to spread.

Hope this helps!
 
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First off, this sounds amazing and I'm already interested.

I would say focus on IMPORTANT characters, like the general of an army or the ruler of this Alt-Italy, not some farmer in a random village in no-where-land. although like anything, there are exceptions. If it fits with the plot and isn't shoehorned in, add it.

This is a bit more opinion based but I believe it still counts. Don't flip-flop between POVs in the same chapter too many times (2-3 at the most), even then I would suggest sticking to just one per chapter. This allows the reader to better understand the characters and the story, while not getting confused about what's going on. I would also suggest don't publish anything under 2000 words, but that's my opinion. I generally try to go for 2000-4000 words per chapter.

Assuming there is going to be magic, don't make it a hard counter to every single earth technology, that's extremely boring to read--at least for me. At the start, it will be difficult to fight against, like anything first encountered. But after a few months, new, basic methods of dealing with magic should start to roll out into the armed forces.

Moving onto the armed forces, this is where the Alt-history part comes in or we start to bend the reality stick. My understanding is that their air force was garbage and their army had constant infighting from the generals and officers (I might be completely wrong in saying this so take this point with a grain of salt). Here, you can either go with the realistic option and have this Alt-Italy work with this mess, or the pretext of this being an Alt-Italy and simply say at some point that these problems were fixed before this story started.

As for communication...I'm honestly not sure. All I know is it would be slow and it would likely take weeks or even months for news about anything to spread.

Hope this helps!
first of all thanks!


This is a bit more opinion based but I believe it still counts. Don't flip-flop between POVs in the same chapter too many times (2-3 at the most), even then I would suggest sticking to just one per chapter. This allows the reader to better understand the characters and the story, while not getting confused about what's going on. I would also suggest don't publish anything under 2000 words, but that's my opinion. I generally try to go for 2000-4000 words per chapter.
i was planning on having just a few characters, even if I don't have all of them flashed out right now, and was aiming at 1.5k minimum to start, as I was always told I have a problem with way too concise writing.

Assuming there is going to be magic, don't make it a hard counter to every single earth technology, that's extremely boring to read--at least for me. At the start, it will be difficult to fight against, like anything first encountered. But after a few months, new, basic methods of dealing with magic should start to roll out into the armed forces.
i was thinking about something in the middle, sometimes it's gonna be a hard counter, other times it's gonna be a pain in the ass, but in general keeping it pretty balanced, not tipping one way or the other too much.
Moving onto the armed forces, this is where the Alt-history part comes in or we start to bend the reality stick. My understanding is that their air force was garbage and their army had constant infighting from the generals and officers (I might be completely wrong in saying this so take this point with a grain of salt). Here, you can either go with the realistic option and have this Alt-Italy work with this mess, or the pretext of this being an Alt-Italy and simply say at some point that these problems were fixed before this story started.
this is mostly correct. bar the air force, we had some really good plane, but never produced enough of them. regarding the army, most of the problems were from a mass of incompetent bootlikers getting in positions of power so Mussolini could have his ass comfortably protected. this led to many dumb decisions, like the idiot telling that the troop in Albania were totally prepared for an invasion of Greece. this is getting resolved (In part) before the story happens, by having fascism booted early, and the democracy restored. this leads to having more of the competent guys in charge, and the Italian army being better overall (decent tanks, including some mediums, and ditching the tankette much earlier then 1941; the navy getting some carriers)
this also has as a consequence that many important people don't escape Italy, one who may or may not be really important is a fellow based on enrico fermi (i am not using real names, for more flexibility, and avoiding mentioning controversial figures.)
 

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i actually did not plan on much steamrolling at all. but you have a good point
It basically always evolves into a steam roll
first of all thanks!



i was planning on having just a few characters, even if I don't have all of them flashed out right now, and was aiming at 1.5k minimum to start, as I was always told I have a problem with way too concise writing.


i was thinking about something in the middle, sometimes it's gonna be a hard counter, other times it's gonna be a pain in the ass, but in general keeping it pretty balanced, not tipping one way or the other too much.

this is mostly correct. bar the air force, we had some really good plane, but never produced enough of them. regarding the army, most of the problems were from a mass of incompetent bootlikers getting in positions of power so Mussolini could have his ass comfortably protected. this led to many dumb decisions, like the idiot telling that the troop in Albania were totally prepared for an invasion of Greece. this is getting resolved (In part) before the story happens, by having fascism booted early, and the democracy restored. this leads to having more of the competent guys in charge, and the Italian army being better overall (decent tanks, including some mediums, and ditching the tankette much earlier then 1941; the navy getting some carriers)
this also has as a consequence that many important people don't escape Italy, one who may or may not be really important is a fellow based on enrico fermi (i am not using real names, for more flexibility, and avoiding mentioning controversial figures.)
Mussolini would probably declare a state of emergency and do through with the whole of his policy, and the economy would be like pre-war Nazi germany, growing massively by like 11%. While also doing economics, he would probably purge all the losers who are against him, and will greatly suffer because their outside funding from other nations are no more. Gone.
 

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It basically always evolves into a steam roll

Mussolini would probably declare a state of emergency and do through with the whole of his policy, and the economy would be like pre-war Nazi germany, growing massively by like 11%. While also doing economics, he would probably purge all the losers who are against him, and will greatly suffer because their outside funding from other nations are no more. Gone.
the problem is that mussolini was ousted like 10 years before the story starts in 1937
 

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Julius Evola revolts and replaces him
no, evola would be against the anti-mussolini coup, who is initially led by a group of generals and politicians, and planned by the heir to the throne. after the coup another famous Italian writer and poet would be elected as president, Gabriele D'Annunzio
 

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no, evola would be against the anti-mussolini coup, who is initially led by a group of generals and politicians, and planned by the heir to the throne. after the coup another famous Italian writer and poet would be elected as president, Gabriele D'Annunzio
He doesn’t even known about Raphael Raphael Raphael…
 

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Godzilla.

If you are in Korea, Godzilla is something that happens in the background. The story is about the people with their lives and personal drama and how it is impacted by Godzilla, but Godzilla is somewhere in the background. He's something that happens.

If you are in Japan, Godzilla is THE PLOT. Everyone talks about Godzilla. Everything thing that happens is about Godzilla. How to defeat Godzilla. How to survive Godzilla. How did Godzilla get here? How do we use these singing tiny girls to summon forth a giant moth to fight Godzilla?

Pick one.
Your story should be from 10,000 feet about how the nation steam rolls the fantasy world, or it needs to be about the MC or a group of MCs and how they had normal lives and how it has changed.

Because if it is about a group, we know the group, or at least one member of the group will survive to the end, but we don't know if that will happen to the rest of the country.

If it is about the country and that's the PLOT, then nobody is going to believe for one second that Italy will lose. Then you need to focus on HOW Italy wins, not IF they win. However, in this case, you can murder as many characters you want and people won't mind. Italy is the MC, and so everyone else is the secondary character and everyone knows they don't have plot armor, only the MC.
 
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