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JayMark

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In short: the core ideas here aren’t bad, really. You have a strong skeleton here, but you’re wrapped in so much trope tape and narrative padding that it’s hard to see. Cut the repetition, make your synopsis better so it shows your best cards, and let your characters actually have a room to actually communicate without burying them under the lore boulder. Do better.
The Rise of Raruk Warwulf

This is one of Tempokai's best roasts, if not the best roast I have read so far. Many of the issues pointed at are the same I've experienced with my earlier writing, my current drafts, or even problems that make it to the published page. I had a hard time not repeating every last thing to my reader and force feeding every detail.

I still have to often erase a quarter of my first draft for repetition. I think it's because the overall theme never stops sounding profound in my head. But it doesn't work for readers and it doesn't even work for myself when I put it down and return later. It can be really difficult not to rush, not to hold cool lore back for the right moment, and to let the characters breathe. But you obviously have the potential to do all these things.

Sounds like you have great potential so good luck.
 

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The Rise of Raruk Warwulf

This is one of Tempokai's best roasts, if not the best roast I have read so far. Many of the issues pointed at are the same I've experienced with my earlier writing, my current drafts, or even problems that make it to the published page. I had a hard time not repeating every last thing to my reader and force feeding every detail.

I still have to often erase a quarter of my first draft for repetition. I think it's because the overall theme never stops sounding profound in my head. But it doesn't work for readers and it doesn't even work for myself when I put it down and return later. It can be really difficult not to rush, not to hold cool lore back for the right moment, and to let the characters breathe. But you obviously have the potential to do all these things.

Sounds like you have great potential so good luck.
Jaymark, I can roast your story. Not enough smut, not enough futas, not enough handholding. LOL JK
 

JayMark

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Jaymark, I can roast your story. Not enough smut, not enough futas, not enough handholding. LOL JK
I have hand holding! I have that. It's in there! :blob_catflip:
I'm going to have a female character be converted to a futa on isekai just for you. :blob_catflip:
Just so you can't say I don't have futa characters. :blob_catflip:
And then I can say one is more than enough! :blob_catflip:
 

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I have hand holding! I have that. It's in there!
Just not enough of it!

I'm going to have a female character be converted to a futa on isekai just for you.
That'd be funny as hell, a non-smut story with a futa character so the intersex addicts never get the payoff they desire.

then I can say one is more than enough!
Never! I will not stop until males like me and females are extinct. LOL JK
 

Tempokai

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I thought you will respond that way. Once the low hanging fruits were blocked, you went full Foucault in your explanation on why your story sucks being at a story and instead is propaganda.

As far as propaganda? I mean I think any good fiction is ultimately some kind of propaganda: speaking to our beliefs, speaking to our perspective on the world, speaking to what we think a brighter (or darker) future ultimately is. So I write from that perspective. I don't really mind that being called propaganda, and I don't really mind reflections of real experiences being perceives as political when they're already being politicized by others.

This paragraph says it all. If you think that all stories are propaganda, no wonder you wrote it as a propaganda. With your logic, grocery list is a propaganda, children's scribblings showing the happy family and the imaginary friend is propaganda, and the chunni's first attempt at writing Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way is propaganda too. What you don't realize that when everything is propaganda; nothing is. Therefore, I'll use the Google's definition of propaganda: information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view. Your "webnovel" fits right in, because you're writing a promotion of your political POV while being biased, even in fiction. Therefore, when you're saying that "everything is propaganda" you make assumption that everyone thinks like you, making this point irrelevant.
As far as the rest of the genderfucky thing? This is literally all based on Omegaverse stuff so I’m doing kind of a twist on that genre. The specific combinations that become “dominant” are not, and are not intended to, look anything like what we would consider cis, het, trans, nb, whatever.
You're using omegaverse as a shield here, obfuscating the real definition of the omegaverse. You're clearly basing it in real world stuff, making that "mirror world" as I said. As a not biased reader who read at least 10 of those omegaverse novels, your don't fit at all. Omegaverse is about "alpha/beta/omega" not "cis, het, trans, nb, whatever". Your political spectrum really loves to play with the definitions, huh? Especially when getting cornered by some outsider who doesn't give a damn about >1% of the world thinks about. By changing the definition of the defined term, you want to change the discourse, but given I really was in this webnovel corner at least 10 years, I don't give a damn what you "think" the genre is, I think in what is defined the genre what is by other people who actually have the say in this subgenre.

The goal isn't moral superiority, after all. It's "look at these people. They're not really getting a chance to exist as they are. Let's understand them more." :)
If you wanted to do that, you would've done what other people did. Think of Trouble With Horns, every popular story under https://www.scribblehub.com/tag/transgender/, every "egg" story, not "LET'S TOPPLE THE EMPIRE BECAUSE MY MAIN CHARACTER WAS OPRESSED SO MUCH THAT MC WILL BE OFFENDED BY EVERYTHING, ASHAMED BY NOTHING, CONTRIBUTING CHAOS BECAUSE MC IS JUSTIFIED IN MURDERS BECAUSE OPPRESSION!" Yes, you read like that in subtext. Wayne Booth, the resident rhetor who I quote much, said that there is "implied author" who supplies the ethics to the narrator, who in turn narrates what is happening. Just by extrapolating the points you've made in those two chapters (yes, I read that second chapter, and it's even worse in performative suffering and outrage, no "Please judge the story by more than the synopsis" BS please), you come across as a typical member of The T Tribe who is aligned with the institutional cathedral, not knowing that 90% of people either tolerate you by not interacting with you, or hostile due to misunderstanding basic concepts like sexual preference.


It’s also my story because that’s who I am and where I come from, and the life I live.
I understand your position so much, that I come to hate it while reading your story. You've done your "write what you know" part, and inadvertently showed what you thought about everything. No wonder psychologists read the stuff that clients have to better understand them. In your case, your distrust in "traditional" institutions, positioning your sexual identity first, and spewing out radical rhetoric which you come to believe, shows you as a person more than these coping explanations ever could. You didn't write a good story opening with this. Every chapter reads like someone yelling "FUCK THE SYSTEM!" into the keyboard. Have you considered that not every structured system is a dungeon built to contain your gender dysphoria? No? Then who you are to make such blatant propaganda, pushing your own point, only to cave in in half after some bloke said what is needed to be said?

Your entire plot feels like it was written by someone mid-identity crisis while screaming into a mirror, not knowing what they are. Every character’s existential terror reflects your own, and instead of resolution, you deliver emotional shrapnel in the social theory you've consumed for your whole life.

Also, to point it out. "It is a place where nations structure their entire political systems on their own interpretations of the biological imperatives they elevate above others" is pure Foucault. That's biopolitics. That's "power is distributed and legitimized through the body—through sex, gender, and biological traits" type of shit that no one besides leftists believes in. That's Foucault's panopticon built on gonads. Cool cool. Did Foucault write the worldbuilding for you while dead?
And that Emperor who’s doing all that? It’s less about some ideology he holds and more about him knowing that if he plays the cards he’s currently playing, he gets to stay rich and powerful.
Ah, so your villain is a Foucauldian technocrat exploiting bio-political tension for resource consolidation. Cool. That's life. C'est la vie. There always be powerful people, and when that MC will become powerful as this emperor is, they'll become just like that. Cool, thanks for spoiling the plot for the story I'll never read. What you call a plot, Foucault would call an ontology of victimhood, no cap.


What I can say that even if you're "newbie author", you didn't come here for connecting with people outside of your tribe. Storytelling is about communication of ideas, and connecting with people to understand that idea. What you've done is a typical newbie storyteller's mistake; write ideas without even trying to connect with people you don't know, only to affirm what you already know. When I said "If you don't like heat in this roast, don't answer, don't reply, and just move on. Don't write blatant propaganda.", I meant it. You either try to connect people without accusing them of being nazi, incel, bigot, whatever else when disagree with you, or GTFO. Write stories like actual non-binary people did, under that tag, or have disagreements with people who know more about this medium than you. You clearly don't have enough empathy to not see everyone who disagrees with you as not enemies. Vilification from those responses alone makes you look like a bad person overall, even when the soul behind the webnovel isn't taken for consideration.

Radicalization isn't the way the world works. It works with agreements, with making sure that everyone knows each other, and not with violence or calls to violence. It's with understanding each other, knowing what was wrong, and fixing it. I don't see you understanding me, because I'm so outside of your bubble, you probably don't know that normal people who don't like the stuff you do exists. Do better, and next time, don't fall for every bait I've lovingly had put out there.
 

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I thought you will respond that way. Once the low hanging fruits were blocked, you went full Foucault in your explanation on why your story sucks being at a story and instead is propaganda.



This paragraph says it all. If you think that all stories are propaganda, no wonder you wrote it as a propaganda. With your logic, grocery list is a propaganda, children's scribblings showing the happy family and the imaginary friend is propaganda, and the chunni's first attempt at writing Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way is propaganda too. What you don't realize that when everything is propaganda; nothing is. Therefore, I'll use the Google's definition of propaganda: information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view. Your "webnovel" fits right in, because you're writing a promotion of your political POV while being biased, even in fiction. Therefore, when you're saying that "everything is propaganda" you make assumption that everyone thinks like you, making this point irrelevant.

You're using omegaverse as a shield here, obfuscating the real definition of the omegaverse. You're clearly basing it in real world stuff, making that "mirror world" as I said. As a not biased reader who read at least 10 of those omegaverse novels, your don't fit at all. Omegaverse is about "alpha/beta/omega" not "cis, het, trans, nb, whatever". Your political spectrum really loves to play with the definitions, huh? Especially when getting cornered by some outsider who doesn't give a damn about >1% of the world thinks about. By changing the definition of the defined term, you want to change the discourse, but given I really was in this webnovel corner at least 10 years, I don't give a damn what you "think" the genre is, I think in what is defined the genre what is by other people who actually have the say in this subgenre.


If you wanted to do that, you would've done what other people did. Think of Trouble With Horns, every popular story under https://www.scribblehub.com/tag/transgender/, every "egg" story, not "LET'S TOPPLE THE EMPIRE BECAUSE MY MAIN CHARACTER WAS OPRESSED SO MUCH THAT MC WILL BE OFFENDED BY EVERYTHING, ASHAMED BY NOTHING, CONTRIBUTING CHAOS BECAUSE MC IS JUSTIFIED IN MURDERS BECAUSE OPPRESSION!" Yes, you read like that in subtext. Wayne Booth, the resident rhetor who I quote much, said that there is "implied author" who supplies the ethics to the narrator, who in turn narrates what is happening. Just by extrapolating the points you've made in those two chapters (yes, I read that second chapter, and it's even worse in performative suffering and outrage, no "Please judge the story by more than the synopsis" BS please), you come across as a typical member of The T Tribe who is aligned with the institutional cathedral, not knowing that 90% of people either tolerate you by not interacting with you, or hostile due to misunderstanding basic concepts like sexual preference.



I understand your position so much, that I come to hate it while reading your story. You've done your "write what you know" part, and inadvertently showed what you thought about everything. No wonder psychologists read the stuff that clients have to better understand them. In your case, your distrust in "traditional" institutions, positioning your sexual identity first, and spewing out radical rhetoric which you come to believe, shows you as a person more than these coping explanations ever could. You didn't write a good story opening with this. Every chapter reads like someone yelling "FUCK THE SYSTEM!" into the keyboard. Have you considered that not every structured system is a dungeon built to contain your gender dysphoria? No? Then who you are to make such blatant propaganda, pushing your own point, only to cave in in half after some bloke said what is needed to be said?

Your entire plot feels like it was written by someone mid-identity crisis while screaming into a mirror, not knowing what they are. Every character’s existential terror reflects your own, and instead of resolution, you deliver emotional shrapnel in the social theory you've consumed for your whole life.

Also, to point it out. "It is a place where nations structure their entire political systems on their own interpretations of the biological imperatives they elevate above others" is pure Foucault. That's biopolitics. That's "power is distributed and legitimized through the body—through sex, gender, and biological traits" type of shit that no one besides leftists believes in. That's Foucault's panopticon built on gonads. Cool cool. Did Foucault write the worldbuilding for you while dead?

Ah, so your villain is a Foucauldian technocrat exploiting bio-political tension for resource consolidation. Cool. That's life. C'est la vie. There always be powerful people, and when that MC will become powerful as this emperor is, they'll become just like that. Cool, thanks for spoiling the plot for the story I'll never read. What you call a plot, Foucault would call an ontology of victimhood, no cap.


What I can say that even if you're "newbie author", you didn't come here for connecting with people outside of your tribe. Storytelling is about communication of ideas, and connecting with people to understand that idea. What you've done is a typical newbie storyteller's mistake; write ideas without even trying to connect with people you don't know, only to affirm what you already know. When I said "If you don't like heat in this roast, don't answer, don't reply, and just move on. Don't write blatant propaganda.", I meant it. You either try to connect people without accusing them of being nazi, incel, bigot, whatever else when disagree with you, or GTFO. Write stories like actual non-binary people did, under that tag, or have disagreements with people who know more about this medium than you. You clearly don't have enough empathy to not see everyone who disagrees with you as not enemies. Vilification from those responses alone makes you look like a bad person overall, even when the soul behind the webnovel isn't taken for consideration.

Radicalization isn't the way the world works. It works with agreements, with making sure that everyone knows each other, and not with violence or calls to violence. It's with understanding each other, knowing what was wrong, and fixing it. I don't see you understanding me, because I'm so outside of your bubble, you probably don't know that normal people who don't like the stuff you do exists. Do better, and next time, don't fall for every bait I've lovingly had put out there.

Bro. Buddy. There is literally no way to write fiction without saying something political in some way.

You can only choose whether you make it explicit and honest, or whether you bumble around putting your foot in your mouth acting like your self-purported neutrality/non-partisanship is somehow anything but a political statement itself.

This is literally how art -works-.

I honestly kinda expected more substance to the roast than someone just getting... really irate and foaming at the mouth about exactly one thing, and just repeating that one thing over and over lol. I'll take it as a compliment, though. Cheers.
 

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Bro. Buddy. There is literally no way to write fiction without saying something political in some way.

You can only choose whether you make it explicit and honest, or whether you bumble around putting your foot in your mouth acting like your self-purported neutrality/non-partisanship is somehow anything but a political statement itself.

This is literally how art -works-.

I honestly kinda expected more substance to the roast than someone just getting... really irate and foaming at the mouth about exactly one thing, and just repeating that one thing over and over lol. I'll take it as a compliment, though. Cheers.
I am just responding to what I'm seeing. I didn't just formed this opinion of storytelling just now, for fuck's sake. You've now in that "I'm not bothered, you are" phase, and frankly, it's pathetic. You've been just disproven by every point you've made and you're thinking you've won? How original. Classic Reddit move, if I ever saw one. Because your story has THAT shallow level that doesn't hide its politics, I've just shown what ordinary people see.

That's NOT how art works, dear T tribe member. Art, using Google's definition again: the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power. Do you have beauty? No, I see propaganda, which is again: information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view. Art can be propaganda, but not all propaganda is art. Yours, given the whole bias thing going on, because you "wrote what I know", is essentially is just that, propaganda. I didn't see any value. John here didn't too. Art is subjective, propaganda is not, it's often objective, because it has goals of changing the way the consumer of that propaganda operates psychologically.

Therefore it's YOU don't know how ART works. Animal Farm is an art and propaganda, because everyone who saw that can enjoy for what it is even decades later. Yours, if you abandon it, will be locked in that BSky or Mastodon post or in SH archive, never be quoted or read outside from the people who didn't connect with it. It will be simply forgotten. If people don't see "art", it will not be seen as art. Proper art is not forgettable. Keep coping, bud.
 

JayMark

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Moo... only because I said I would a long time ago.

I'm highly defensive about this series and have already taken a lot of abuse because of it.
I don't erase my comments, there's a robust record.


So, I'm just going to quietly drop *not dropping the series because its my one allowed passion project* this here. :blob_teary:

Maybe I can gain some insights for readthrough and overhaul I'm planning at chapter 100.

Moo... :sweating_profusely:
 

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Bro. Buddy. There is literally no way to write fiction without saying something political in some way.
Not true at all - it is EASIER to try to "teach something" with writing but it is definitely possible to write pure fluff with no message (beyond "come here to waste a few minutes of your life before dealing with real stuff").
The real trick is to write a story that CONTAINS a message but does not hit the reader over the head with said message, so that the politics comes in from the side, rather than front and center.
I honestly kinda expected more substance to the roast than someone just getting... really irate and foaming at the mouth about exactly one thing, and just repeating that one thing over and over lol. I'll take it as a compliment, though. Cheers.
Just out of curiosity, have you ever read much by Clive Barker?
He had a lot of stories that contained the theme "Yes, there are real monsters, but WE are worse" - a few of them are great (Cabal, the one that became the movie Nightbreed, is possibly the best, though the one that had a unit of werewolf spies in a war was pretty darned good), but most of them read like propaganda.
He wrote what he experienced - just replace "monster" with "gay male" and "we" with "everyone who is not like me" and you have his LIFE before he became successful and moved to an area where he was part of a large minority instead of a tiny one. His horror moved on from that theme (though occasionally comes back), and he wrote a lot of non-horror (some of it pretty amazing, too). But, aside from those "we are worse than the monsters" stories, his politics, his message, takes a back-burner, when there even is one.

And sometimes the message is pretty subtle, like the anti-war message in Lord of the Rings. Yes, that political element is present, but it massages the reader (unless they fell asleep during the travelogue portion of the show and didn't bother moving forward), rather than beating them over the head.
 

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Bro. Buddy. There is literally no way to write fiction without saying something political in some way.
You've said this twice, and it's just not true. Sorry for butting in again without being the roaster of the thread, but if I were to read "Moby Dick," "The Catcher in the Rye," or even "Twilight," I wouldn't be able to tell whether the author would vote Republican or Democrat in our next election, what the author's gender is, what social class the author proclaims to be in, etc. because they wanted all kinds of people to enjoy their work.

The problem with shoehorning biased beliefs on contemporary issues into your work is that it might not age well. 200 years from now, when your faction has either won or lost, do you think the world will want to read a story about...
the hodgepodge crew of the Kalida: the Nazari priest who tried to escape for the sake of religious freedom only to be saved from certain death and becoming a pirate, the transmorph Masaku doctor seeking freedom for zir people and a ‘treatment’ for zir dysphoria, or the charismatic Captain with the mysterious Imperial past who the crew will unquestioningly follow to the end of the world—and others—as they plot and fight and drink and fuck their way into and through the greatest revolution the world has ever known.
 

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I read your first three chapters, and by the time I got to the human girl cradled in a wolf nursery like she’s about to cosplay Jaina Proudmoore, I had to pause and squint at the screen like I’d just walked in on a crossover between LISA: The Painful, Warcraft, and the New Testament. Except you removed the Joy, body horror, the glorious Orc prosperity in wastelands, and crucially—the one part of the Bible that didn’t end in nails: the peaceful messiah. And what we’re left with is this glorious fantasy mashup that feels like it has something decent going on in the background.

To be fair, the synopsis doesn’t do justice to what’s actually in the opening chapters. The synopsis is so painfully generic it reads like a back-of-the-box description written by someone afraid to spoil their own plot, which would be fine if it weren’t also afraid to say anything specific. “A second son must save his dying clan with a cheat.” Bruh, what cheat? What stakes? What flavor? Currently it really reads like a boilerplate fantasy ad you'd scroll past on fanfiction.net while looking for something with an actual hook.

The tragedy is you have the hook. You have world rot. You have prophecy. You have a character born at the end of a dying bloodline in a culture that still hosts drinking games at funerals. You even have Direwolves (that may or not be stolen from Warcraft) as large as midlife crises. But instead of showing these things in the synopsis, you hide behind vague language like you’re embarrassed by your own premise. Stop that. Flaunt your weird. Let the authenticity flag fly high, because readers don't come for generic, they come for specific done in a specific way.

Now, the prologue. It’s functional. It works as a teaser, like the “Previously on Warcraft 1: Everyone Dies” segment. It doesn’t try to do too much, which is a mercy. You’ve got a frantic survivor, an aging commander with a scar like an overripe peach, and some jeering soldiers. Honestly, it’s not bad, but it also doesn’t punch. It's functional, as I said. It’s like watching someone almost sneeze due to pollen allergy—it builds, it builds, and then the tension just sighs out because the nose got itchy instead of sneezy. There’s no standout voice, no tonal identity, no memorable character outside of “guy with bad news” and “guy who reacts to bad news.” You could polish this scene with some tighter language and cut out half the throat-clearing exposition and it would land sharper.

With that comes Chapter 1, where things wobble so hard I felt like I was on a fantasy-themed tilt-a-whirl. See, you’ve got this juicy narrative moment: the last female Oruk is dying in childbirth. That’s your gut punch. That’s your "oh shit" moment, but you smother it in known context like a toddler learning to wrap a burrito. You don’t trust the reader. Instead of letting us feel Grekka’s fragility and the finality of her death, you decide to rewind the entire orc documentary and make us rewatch the extinction of your species for the third time in five pages. Readers already know the land is dying after that first mention of it. We get that this child is important. You’ve said it more than once. Like, a lot.

The problem is in this framework of “known vs. unknown context” I have and you bungle it. Known context is what the readers have read or can reasonably infer: world dying, no more female Oruks, prophecy baby. Unknown is what readers want to be curious about: why this child matters, what makes this clan different, what the prophecy actually matters. But, instead of feeding the reader the unknown slowly and letting readers hunger for it, you just reheated the known three times and served it with the dramatic weight of someone handing out lost-and-found flyers.

It slows the scene down. It strangles the pathos. Grekka dying should devastate, it should be the moment that frames Raruk’s future. Instead, it’s like reading a weather report while someone nearby politely dies.

The lore you dump, even when fragmented, still reads like lore. That’s the problem. It doesn’t feel lived-in. It feels like a set of ingredients being recited before the cooking show starts. Every time reader starts to get emotionally close to a character, they get shoved out of the frame by another reminder that famine bad, prophecy scary, land cursed.

Chapter 1 desperately needs an editor. Not a proofreader—no, you’ve spell-checked this thing like it owes you money, besides few missing dots after the dialogues that I saw. I mean an actual editor. Someone who’ll grab your manuscript by the ears and say, “We’re cutting this repetition, we’re moving this moment earlier, we’re letting Grekka speak something meaningful before she dies instead of just being a plot-laden uterus with dying breath.”

Afterwards, Chapter 2, where Raruk finally earns his name in the title and thank God, because up until this point, he was a myth with no presence. He steps out into the world like a mix of brooding ranger and reluctant philosopher, and you know what, he works. You give him interiority. You give him mystery. You give him a damn Direwolf with a name, which honestly, is character development in some novels, even if you stole that idea from Thrall, maybe.

Boruk is a solid foil too—classic brawn-to-your-brain setup, but with enough respect to make it feel like brotherhood, not sitcom bickering. You even manage to build tension when the unconscious human girl appears, which could have been extremely cringe. You know, making them so dumb that it becomes stupid, instead of being a normally logics. But, the pacing stumbles again. Why? Because you’re still repeating that the world is dying, the land is cursed, and orcs are endangered. At this point, it’s not thematic, it’s a chorus. You need to trust your reader. They know the stakes, now deepen them without adding the same three concepts. Instead of reminding the reader what’s dying, show what’s worth saving.

In short: the core ideas here aren’t bad, really. You have a strong skeleton here, but you’re wrapped in so much trope tape and narrative padding that it’s hard to see. Cut the repetition, make your synopsis better so it shows your best cards, and let your characters actually have a room to actually communicate without burying them under the lore boulder. Do better.

Wow thank you for that, those are all good points. Yes you are correct, it is heavily inspired by Warcraft and Vikings as well, also yes you're also correct about the lore dumps, I sometimes just get lost in the sauce and end up dumping lore without realizing it. Good points to consider.

Thanks for that!
 

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Are you one of those brave souls who believe your manuscript is teetering on perfection but still wake up at 3 a.m. knowing deep down it’s a disaster? Good. You’re my favorite kind of writer. I’m here to roast your work—scorch it until the ashes look usable. Think of me as the Gordon Ramsay of prose, minus the condescension and fake praise. If your story’s dialogue sounds like two malfunctioning robots reciting a phrasebook, or your pacing moves like a snail overdosed on melatonin, I’ll say so. And you’ll thank me. (Eventually.)

I won’t pat your ego or whisper empty affirmations about how your “raw passion” is shining through. I’ll wield my critiques like a rusty spork and perform open-heart surgery on your prose—messy, necessary, and unforgettable. Don’t worry; you’ll survive. Growth always hurts. But so does realizing your novel reads like someone fell asleep on a keyboard.

If you think your manuscript is ready for tough love, I’ll give it to you straight—no sugar, no spoon. You’ll cry, sure, but you’ll also crawl out of the wreckage stronger. Because what doesn’t kill your manuscript will absolutely make it publishable.

Think you can handle it? Drop your link below. Let’s fix your words before they become tomorrow’s filler on this website.
I’m ready for the roasting! Literally disembowel it, I’ll happily take the criticism! I’ve got this draft in the works, it’s 9 chapters long so far and the chapters are average 2.5k- 4k (longest is the first chapter at 6k, I know it’s bad lol)
Oh yeah, also feel free to comment directly in the doc if you want to! I have comments enabled
 

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I have no mood for roasting, but I'll do it. My mind feels like burning due to wanting to rest, so I'm doing it without any editing.

I don't see any difference in what it was and had become. It's the same cringe but with less logical holes, sure, but overall beats didn't change at all. As I read I felt that the vibes still weren't right. It was too cringe to be considered as a good story, like before. If I need to point out something, it would be that known context is too specific, and unknown context is too unknown that the reader disengages by chapter 1.

Basically, those tropes feel stale. Readers who read stories like that will see that the tropes were thrown into a blender and mixed until something clumpy with unnatural colors (even if it used usual anime tropes as a base), and they taste that mix of tropes and recoil from bitter taste of cringe the mix has. Sure, it's the slop they anticipate, but they don't have patience to see that unknown context to be revealed, due to what they're seeing by chapter 3 feels like confusing mess. That unknown context mixed future content, as in "why should I care about the academy", "why should I care about what's happening to this dude", and "how do I infer that future plot will not be cringe", and many other questions that reader could have, makes it unpalatable once thought. Those three questions, in particular, don't have compelling answers, therefore they'll disengage.

What I can say is that you need to smooth out your weirdness. At the beginning, readers want grounded in tropes they know with some trope twists, not a whole action sequence for nothing. That confusion MC has over the chapters doesn't help either, because it detracts from the plot, making readers focus on the "weird" tropes, not on the story itself. Basically, I don't know how to fix this without ripping everything that makes this cringe unique, and it's just oof even for me. Do whatever you want with this "insight" or whatever.


Hey. A bit weird since I already asked you for a review before, but I kind of wanted a second look at how my rewrite was going so far. I've reworked up to chapter 4 of the novel, and before I continue, I wanted to see if it was any good. Also, if my first three chapters aren't so bad that you stop reading, I wanted a second opinion as to what the fifth chapter should be.

My original idea was to rework the old fourth chapter, but split it in half. So chapter five would be an extended version of the first half of the old chapter. It's basically a flash forward to Magic Order officers investigating. In the reworked version, it would end on a cliffhanger of the two named officers finding a crater that Cacophony made the night before. Then the next chapter would be a flashback to that night.

Honestly, I feel like that might just be a bit too much for this early on. I makes sense to me, but a reader might actually get confused.

The old chapter is still up if you want a peek at what it might look like.

Anyway, as usual, tell me what I got right or wrong and don't hold make. Also, as you said in your last review, Veri is a messy protagonist. Even as the author, I struggle with how he'd react or feel in every given situation.

Sorry for using you as my editor 😭

It's okay. Those five chapters were fine enough for me to pass 15 minutes on. That small scene gave a contrast, so it's fine. It reads like a typical romance webnovel due to no action happening just yet. While it's giving the suspense, it isn't enough to make my brain to have much interest due to the synopsis ruining the experience overall. You promise that "world will end" and therefore this slice of life stuff feels meh. That's the known context ruining the action in a boomerang way lmao.

Sure, she'll cause the end of the world, and that makes whatever happening right now meaningless. You need to change the known context, as in synopsis, to imply that end of the world will happen, focusing on "right now". Maybe write it in POV of a Veri, not 3rd omniscient POV. Or maybe write what will happen in these ten chapters roughly, and then imply the end of the world. Or maybe focus just on characters, foregoing that "end of the world" and just implying consequences of her revival. That "end of the world" bothers me, because it's absolute, and only bad storytellers box themselves into delivering what they promised and giving expectation to the readers. That "known context" smothers down the unknown context that you will reveal. It will make the reader go "of course X happened!", even if they didn't expect that happening. When the reader knows what will happen, anything that happening now (character) feels preordained, and in future content they ask "when this will happen, I'm bored already" and "why do I need to hear the vampire getting modernized when everything will go to shit", and that's bad engagement wise.

As I wrote, you need to design the past context properly so the current action didn't feel meh, therefore making future expectations feel low enough to follow right now, but implication be interesting enough to see where it's going. As far as how to fix the engagement, I don't have any answers besides these. Do whatever with this half formed thought.
 

Tempokai

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I'm not fearless but fuck it!


I read three chapters of your story. I sat down with a drink (green tea, not a beer) in hand, ready to give it the benefit of the doubt, because hey—there’s always that one webnovel with a bratty MC that somehow makes it charming. But, by the end of chapter three, I was staring into the narrative abyss, and the abyss wasn’t staring back. It was too busy facepalming.

From the second Ashrosaliera opened her mouth in chapter one, I knew exactly what energy this story was bringing to the table: unchecked, weaponized brat mode. And like a prophecy foretold by a chain-smoking editor with PTSD from reviewing ScribbleHub drafts, I wasn't wrong. I knew—I knew—this character would detonate the entire opening arc with the force of a thousand unfiltered tropes, and by god, you delivered. Not with grace of a connoisseur of a mesugaki, not with style of Korean bluntness, but with the raw, uncut fury of a Webnovel user who just discovered the concept of “quirky.”

Let’s start with the most fatal sin: meta-context mismanagement. You, dear author, are the first in this roasting thread who fumbled the meta game so badly, you could’ve qualified for a special award. That little throwaway line about “only posting 30 chapters here, read the rest on WN”? Absolute reader napalm. It's not even that you had the gall to say it—it's where and when you said it. In your synopsis. That’s like introducing yourself on a first date by saying, “Hey, I’m not going to finish this conversation. If you want the rest of me, go find my OnlyFans.”

Look, we’ve all seen authors redirect. But there’s a reason most smart writers do it after posting at least 20–30 solid chapters. Then you casually slip in the “catch me over there” message, and readers go, “Eh, fair enough.” You? You asked readers to invest in a series and then told them it was a limited-time demo. The five one-star ratings? You earned those. Two were probably for the content—don’t worry, we’re getting there—but the other five? Pure, distilled meta-failure. Readers weren’t reviewing the story, they were reviewing the betrayal that they didn't have the stakes in, and that's how you get pot shotted in a back alley of a Webnovel realm.

Now let’s get into that content, because holy hell. You chose the mesugaki trope, which, as you probably know, is a loaded gun wrapped in an energy drink and tied up with a squeaky ribbon. It’s a character archetype that can either make readers go “UOOOOOOH 😭😭😭 cute and funny” or make them gnaw their own eyeballs out in frustration. Guess which camp you landed in? No, seriously—guess. Because what you’ve created here is not “cute and funny.” It’s “ugh, annoying, why am I reading this?” And that, my friend, is not a trope problem. That is execution malpractice.

See, bratty characters work when the tone supports them—when the world, the pacing, and the emotional beats allow that brattiness to shine and show layers. Yours? It’s all surface. Loud, screechy surface. Like a grinder cleaning the rust from the metal beam and still being rusty. You treat tone like it’s just seasoning—sprinkle a little slapstick here, some chaos there, and boom, instant comedy. No. Tone is a genre deliverance system. It is the delivery truck that carries every emotional package you want the reader to open, and you, somehow, sent out KR academy boxes using Looney Tunes packaging, and none of it got delivered.

Let’s be clear: you’re writing what looks like a Korean academy fantasy—you’ve got the magic system, the royal infrastructure, the prestigious school setup. That world demands a certain level of grounded plausibility, even if it’s light. And then you slathered it in a gallon of slapstick comedy so thick, I could practically hear the sound effects: BOING, BONK, WHOOSH, THWAP! Your tone pulls in two opposite directions until the whole thing splits down the middle. It’s like you wrote the outline after watching Sky High (the movie) and edited the scenes while playing Blue Archive, lmao.

And the worst part is… Ash could’ve worked. She really could have. You had moments—those tiny, gasping moments—where she almost became something. The dynamic with her parents had potential. The backstory with her birth and the System could’ve been clever enough that readers would've forgiven the slowness of the pacing. But, instead of building on any of that, you throw readers headfirst into a tidal wave of flailing limbs, yelling, and system pings that function more like laugh tracks than plot devices.

Your pacing? Pure external description. There’s no breathing room, no internality, no emotional rhythm to prop up the action that is shown to the reader. You don't write character growth in those opening chapter. You fling Ash at walls—literal and metaphorical—and hope we laugh while forgetting to make us care. Which means your protagonist, despite being loud, OP, and constantly moving, is flatter than a pancake under a steamroller. She’s all action, no soul.

That’s your central failure: pathos. You had the option to give her depth. To let us see a scared girl under the chaos. To explore what it means to be born overpowered, to be shackled to a system she doesn't understand from birth, to navigate pressure and loneliness with a mask of bratty defiance because if she doesn't do so she'll not be powerful to defend herself or her family because she knows what will happen to them. That’s good stuff. That’s character. But what did you do? You gave us a fireball-wielding toddler trapped in the body of a high schooler, who sets her hair on fire, bounces off a wall, and lands in a fountain like a Saturday morning cartoon. There’s no emotional tether here. Just noise.

When you don’t establish internal motivation early—when you don’t let the reader align emotionally—you force them to continue only out of trope recognition. They don’t care about Ash. They just know this is “that kind of story,” and maybe it’ll eventually do something familiar and comforting. That’s not storytelling, that’s baiting people into reading without thinking too much.

You could’ve fixed this. Truly. If you’d expanded those “before academy” scenes—gave readers time in the world, let Ash be vulnerable, showed us why she acts like this—you could’ve earned the chaos. Instead, you threw us into the brat blender from line one and hit “purée.”

The end result? A story opener that’s both shallow and predictable, and worst of all: forgettable. Not because you didn’t try, but because you didn’t structure your effort. You didn’t respect tone. You didn’t respect pacing. You didn’t even respect your own genre.

So here’s what you need to do: burn those opening chapters. Start fresh. If you want to write slapstick? Great. But give it a foundation. Show readers the character behind the chaos. Let us care before we laugh. And, if you’re going to write a KR-style academy story, respect the tone that comes with it. You can bend it, but you have to know it first.

Ash can be as bratty as you want—but if she’s only bratty, all she’ll ever be is annoying. Give her something real beneath the fireworks, or you’ll lose every reader who came looking for something more than a screech and a punchline.

You didn’t write a bad idea, not really. You just wrote it like you were on fire and forgot to aim the hose. Try again. Do better. This trope deserves it—and so do you.
 

A_veil_of_red_ink

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Hey, roast mine. My friend roasted me, so let's see what a stranger will do. :blob_cookie:

 

Trashcat

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So... I just got roasted 2 days ago (not too much/not enough?), and I'm prepared for more. My novel is currently going through its 11th editing phase, and I would like to get more input since it's always stuck in the shadows and is incapable of attracting readers, also because I'm new here and I can't create threads to request feedback :P. So please be brutally honest and don't hesitate to rip me to shreds. Tell me if I live up to my name.

https://www.scribblehub.com/series/1704447/rhythm-of-rampage/
 

RepresentingTaoism

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I read three chapters of your story. I sat down with a drink (green tea, not a beer) in hand, ready to give it the benefit of the doubt, because hey—there’s always that one webnovel with a bratty MC that somehow makes it charming. But, by the end of chapter three, I was staring into the narrative abyss, and the abyss wasn’t staring back. It was too busy facepalming.

From the second Ashrosaliera opened her mouth in chapter one, I knew exactly what energy this story was bringing to the table: unchecked, weaponized brat mode. And like a prophecy foretold by a chain-smoking editor with PTSD from reviewing ScribbleHub drafts, I wasn't wrong. I knew—I knew—this character would detonate the entire opening arc with the force of a thousand unfiltered tropes, and by god, you delivered. Not with grace of a connoisseur of a mesugaki, not with style of Korean bluntness, but with the raw, uncut fury of a Webnovel user who just discovered the concept of “quirky.”

Let’s start with the most fatal sin: meta-context mismanagement. You, dear author, are the first in this roasting thread who fumbled the meta game so badly, you could’ve qualified for a special award. That little throwaway line about “only posting 30 chapters here, read the rest on WN”? Absolute reader napalm. It's not even that you had the gall to say it—it's where and when you said it. In your synopsis. That’s like introducing yourself on a first date by saying, “Hey, I’m not going to finish this conversation. If you want the rest of me, go find my OnlyFans.”

Look, we’ve all seen authors redirect. But there’s a reason most smart writers do it after posting at least 20–30 solid chapters. Then you casually slip in the “catch me over there” message, and readers go, “Eh, fair enough.” You? You asked readers to invest in a series and then told them it was a limited-time demo. The five one-star ratings? You earned those. Two were probably for the content—don’t worry, we’re getting there—but the other five? Pure, distilled meta-failure. Readers weren’t reviewing the story, they were reviewing the betrayal that they didn't have the stakes in, and that's how you get pot shotted in a back alley of a Webnovel realm.

Now let’s get into that content, because holy hell. You chose the mesugaki trope, which, as you probably know, is a loaded gun wrapped in an energy drink and tied up with a squeaky ribbon. It’s a character archetype that can either make readers go “UOOOOOOH 😭😭😭 cute and funny” or make them gnaw their own eyeballs out in frustration. Guess which camp you landed in? No, seriously—guess. Because what you’ve created here is not “cute and funny.” It’s “ugh, annoying, why am I reading this?” And that, my friend, is not a trope problem. That is execution malpractice.

See, bratty characters work when the tone supports them—when the world, the pacing, and the emotional beats allow that brattiness to shine and show layers. Yours? It’s all surface. Loud, screechy surface. Like a grinder cleaning the rust from the metal beam and still being rusty. You treat tone like it’s just seasoning—sprinkle a little slapstick here, some chaos there, and boom, instant comedy. No. Tone is a genre deliverance system. It is the delivery truck that carries every emotional package you want the reader to open, and you, somehow, sent out KR academy boxes using Looney Tunes packaging, and none of it got delivered.

Let’s be clear: you’re writing what looks like a Korean academy fantasy—you’ve got the magic system, the royal infrastructure, the prestigious school setup. That world demands a certain level of grounded plausibility, even if it’s light. And then you slathered it in a gallon of slapstick comedy so thick, I could practically hear the sound effects: BOING, BONK, WHOOSH, THWAP! Your tone pulls in two opposite directions until the whole thing splits down the middle. It’s like you wrote the outline after watching Sky High (the movie) and edited the scenes while playing Blue Archive, lmao.

And the worst part is… Ash could’ve worked. She really could have. You had moments—those tiny, gasping moments—where she almost became something. The dynamic with her parents had potential. The backstory with her birth and the System could’ve been clever enough that readers would've forgiven the slowness of the pacing. But, instead of building on any of that, you throw readers headfirst into a tidal wave of flailing limbs, yelling, and system pings that function more like laugh tracks than plot devices.

Your pacing? Pure external description. There’s no breathing room, no internality, no emotional rhythm to prop up the action that is shown to the reader. You don't write character growth in those opening chapter. You fling Ash at walls—literal and metaphorical—and hope we laugh while forgetting to make us care. Which means your protagonist, despite being loud, OP, and constantly moving, is flatter than a pancake under a steamroller. She’s all action, no soul.

That’s your central failure: pathos. You had the option to give her depth. To let us see a scared girl under the chaos. To explore what it means to be born overpowered, to be shackled to a system she doesn't understand from birth, to navigate pressure and loneliness with a mask of bratty defiance because if she doesn't do so she'll not be powerful to defend herself or her family because she knows what will happen to them. That’s good stuff. That’s character. But what did you do? You gave us a fireball-wielding toddler trapped in the body of a high schooler, who sets her hair on fire, bounces off a wall, and lands in a fountain like a Saturday morning cartoon. There’s no emotional tether here. Just noise.

When you don’t establish internal motivation early—when you don’t let the reader align emotionally—you force them to continue only out of trope recognition. They don’t care about Ash. They just know this is “that kind of story,” and maybe it’ll eventually do something familiar and comforting. That’s not storytelling, that’s baiting people into reading without thinking too much.

You could’ve fixed this. Truly. If you’d expanded those “before academy” scenes—gave readers time in the world, let Ash be vulnerable, showed us why she acts like this—you could’ve earned the chaos. Instead, you threw us into the brat blender from line one and hit “purée.”

The end result? A story opener that’s both shallow and predictable, and worst of all: forgettable. Not because you didn’t try, but because you didn’t structure your effort. You didn’t respect tone. You didn’t respect pacing. You didn’t even respect your own genre.

So here’s what you need to do: burn those opening chapters. Start fresh. If you want to write slapstick? Great. But give it a foundation. Show readers the character behind the chaos. Let us care before we laugh. And, if you’re going to write a KR-style academy story, respect the tone that comes with it. You can bend it, but you have to know it first.

Ash can be as bratty as you want—but if she’s only bratty, all she’ll ever be is annoying. Give her something real beneath the fireworks, or you’ll lose every reader who came looking for something more than a screech and a punchline.

You didn’t write a bad idea, not really. You just wrote it like you were on fire and forgot to aim the hose. Try again. Do better. This trope deserves it—and so do you.
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