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Kalliel

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So, after more than a year of being a writer, I've finally decided not to be lazy about uploading my works to more sites than just SH and RR. As sad as it might sound, the most viable site besides those two is probably Webnovel. I am posting this thread asking for the input of those who have had experience posting on Webnovel.

In terms of viewership, do they actually 'feel' like real people and not meaningless numbers since we do know they artificially crank up the view count? Another thing is their monetization. Do you actually earn anything from the built-in systems if you don't sign their contract and miss out on ads and such? Are the readers there willing to become your Patrons?

Please do grant me your wisdom, fellow authors.
 

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WN has a good system to get your works out there, but don't get suckered into signing their contracts. They're predatory beyond belief. If they're contracted they can't be uploaded anywhere else, and WN owns your book. Fully.
Readers on WN are much more rude as well. This isn't my main account, but on my other one I completely stopped posting because of how rude the readers were on WN, and WN doesn't have a block system. They also tend to review bomb books they don't like. Luckily, you can delete reviews, but authors that do that tend to be looked down on.
If you upload to WN, be prepared for toxicity, but you'll get more comments than you ever would on SH.
 

Kalliel

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WN has a good system to get your works out there, but don't get suckered into signing their contracts. They're predatory beyond belief. If they're contracted they can't be uploaded anywhere else, and WN owns your book. Fully.
Readers on WN are much more rude as well. This isn't my main account, but on my other one I completely stopped posting because of how rude the readers were on WN, and WN doesn't have a block system. They also tend to review bomb books they don't like. Luckily, you can delete reviews, but authors that do that tend to be looked down on.
If you upload to WN, be prepared for toxicity, but you'll get more comments than you ever would on SH.
Don't sign contract.
I have actually tried uploading there for a while but stopped because I was lazy. They spammed me with contracts, and I didn't bother to sign them. Not planning to even if I come back there this time. That's why I asked about the monetization in the case of me not signing them.
 

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It really depends on your goal. If you are only looking for more readers, then it's fine to post there. The numbers are pretty meaningless, but you might get some comments occasionally.

If, however, you are looking for anything besides some comments or feedback, it's not really worth it, and feeds into them getting more users over time (since more content). Since it's generally a paid site, you'll get a 0% conversion of readers to patreon subscribers, and it won't really help with any post web novel publishing to a light novel.

You can think of webnovel as a closed system. Anything you see or get there basically stays there. You won't get any patrons, and you won't sell any physical book copies there. If you aren't writing on contract, then you're only getting readers. If that is your only goal, then go for it. If you have any ambitions beyond that though, then all you are doing is taking extra time from your day to provide content there that won't benefit yourself long term.
 

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I have actually tried uploading there for a while but stopped because I was lazy. They spammed me with contracts, and I didn't bother to sign them. Not planning to even if I come back there this time. That's why I asked about the monetization in the case of me not signing them.
I don't know how willing WN readers to become a Patron. I know for a fact that before, the word "patreon" was banned. I have no idea how it is now.
It really depends on your goal. If you are only looking for more readers, then it's fine to post there. The numbers are pretty meaningless, but you might get some comments occasionally.

If, however, you are looking for anything besides some comments or feedback, it's not really worth it, and feeds into them getting more users over time (since more content). Since it's generally a paid site, you'll get a 0% conversion of readers to patreon subscribers, and it won't really help with any post web novel publishing to a light novel.

You can think of webnovel as a closed system. Anything you see or get there basically stays there. You won't get any patrons, and you won't sell any physical book copies there. If you aren't writing on contract, then you're only getting readers. If that is your only goal, then go for it. If you have any ambitions beyond that though, then all you are doing is taking extra time from your day to provide content there that won't benefit yourself long term.
It is also worth to post there to stop piracy. This one is a hearsay, I heard sometimes people steal novels and post them on WN.
 

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Did you ever wondered what would happen if the Royal Road was founded by Chinese instead of Israeli? A little what-if story?

You don't need to look further, because Webnovel is the Royal Road of Hong Kong.

The sites have issues with ... well, everything on the Royal Road has issues with. Which is being corrupt, exploitative, populated with trolls, with poor discoverability, incompetent moderation and incomprehensible rules.

If you wonder what the "contract" is, it's actually very simple.

They own your story. You write this story for them and get paid few cents. If you fail to deliver a content (which is about a thousand words a day, give of take) they boot you out of the story, and assign it to the different writer that will deliver. There is no way out of this contract, except one exception. If they fail to pay you, you get the story back. Since payment is basically a pittance, they would never fail to pay, hence, they would sooner reassign the story for someone else than you (who will of course have a different contract)
 

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There are a lot of other options to choose from as webnovel is the only site that I do not use.
  • Tapas
  • Ritoria
  • Wattpad
  • Honeyfeed
  • Soyetsu
Are all great options. Though Soyetsu requires it be in Japanese so.... Tapas has the most active readerbase of the English ones. Honeyfeed is rather small and so is Ritoria but they have their places. Wattpad is not great but it is exposure.

Webnovel inflates numbers and has a huge bot problem right now. Aggregator bots flood the site and their contracts are mostly scams. The forums are like a snootier RR forum so not very helpful if asked simple questions about how to gain traction. I would not recommend it but I've also heard good things from a few authors so there is a chance for success.
 

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I'm not sure how many of my readers on WN were bots and how many were people, but I did receive actual comments and had interactions with readers, so it can't ALL be bots.
 

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I'm also curious about WB but the contracts specifically.

I have a good idea about how predatory they are (had read the one for newbies about the forth months a few months ago) but I am still interested. I would like to make some money though my work and as I see it right now, WB is the best option for me. Would like to know more about it though.

I really don't care if they own my story or not. It's my first story, (and clearly not the best)and my 'name' is pretty unknown. I don't think I can surpass Shadow Slave by GuitlyThree nor Lord of the Mysteries by Cuttlefish so who am I to have the ego about ownership? If it allows me to make a living out of what I love to do, you are free to have it. Honestly I find it kinda a plus in my case. I'm not a quitter and have so much content I can't run into the problem of not posting on the daily (already performing in their standard of 1,5k a day)so the only real scenario of my stopping is if no one likes the story, in which case I am not sure If I want it under my name or not.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 

Kalliel

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I'm also curious about WB but the contracts specifically.

I have a good idea about how predatory they are (had read the one for newbies about the forth months a few months ago) but I am still interested. I would like to make some money though my work and as I see it right now, WB is the best option for me. Would like to know more about it though.

I really don't care if they own my story or not. It's my first story, (and clearly not the best)and my 'name' is pretty unknown. I don't think I can surpass Shadow Slave by GuitlyThree nor Lord of the Mysteries by Cuttlefish so who am I to have the ego about ownership? If it allows me to make a living out of what I love to do, you are free to have it. Honestly I find it kinda a plus in my case. I'm not a quitter and have so much content I can't run into the problem of not posting on the daily (already performing in their standard of 1,5k a day)so the only real scenario of my stopping is if no one likes the story, in which case I am not sure If I want it under my name or not.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
As many have said, their contracts are fine if you just want some money and can push out that kind of work daily. But just know that you're giving the CCP your personal information by doing that. Not that it's much better since every government collects info on its citizens anyway.
 

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I can not recommend Webnovel. Their enforcement on content guidelines is very arbitrary. It's not great for earning money either, but they pay bank transfer, so you do not need PayPal. At least they did in 2021.

Tapas is not bad, but there are payment limitations for some countries since you need PayPal to receive the money. Otherwise, you need someone with a PayPal account to make the account for you. Their enforcement is fair and they will give you a chance to make changes if you violate their content guidelines.
 

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I'm currently contracted on Webnovel, and had been writing there for 3 months now.

1) You can publish your book there uncontracted but it will have very limited visibility. Since Webnovel won't promote your uncontracted book. Expect around 5-10 new collections daily. You also cannot earn from non-contracted book since only contracted ones can lock chapters and receive gifts.
2) View count is x10. So if a book have 1M views, that means only 100k read. But readers are real and are just as nice as SH readers. They also have GIF comments so it's pretty fun. But just as SH, most of readers are very silent, while a few others comment a lot.
3) WN readers read everything, and they have very low standard. EXTREMELY LOW STANDARD. This is because on WN, quantity > quality. There are stories there that I think are just painful to read, but actually doing very well and hit top best sellers. Even if you have bad grammars or use AI blatantly they will still read, and even willing to pay. It's the norm there to just write and edit minimally. The paid readers are willing to pay so much for chapters so they will probably ok to become patrons too if they like your book.
4) Pay attention to the trending genres there. IF your story some of these theme: smut, EXTRA, villian/villianess, system... you can expect to do well. SMUT do extremely well in the beginning and can give good start. But if you tick none of those boxes (like my story) then it can be really challenging to survive there.
5) WN readers love books with high chapter counts. Around 200-300 chapters are when books take off. So, author tend to break chapters into 1k words small chapters to increase the chapter count.

And about the contract, while I don't think it's as bad as people said, it's still a good idea to think about it carefully. There's no point signing the non-exclusive contract. And for the exclusive one, you will lose your rights. I see you have patrons so you will lose all of them too.
 

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I'm currently contracted on Webnovel, and had been writing there for 3 months now.

1) You can publish your book there uncontracted but it will have very limited visibility. Since Webnovel won't promote your uncontracted book. Expect around 5-10 new collections daily. You also cannot earn from non-contracted book since only contracted ones can lock chapters and receive gifts.
2) View count is x10. So if a book have 1M views, that means only 100k read. But readers are real and are just as nice as SH readers. They also have GIF comments so it's pretty fun. But just as SH, most of readers are very silent, while a few others comment a lot.
3) WN readers read everything, and they have very low standard. EXTREMELY LOW STANDARD. This is because on WN, quantity > quality. There are stories there that I think are just painful to read, but actually doing very well and hit top best sellers. Even if you have bad grammars or use AI blatantly they will still read, and even willing to pay. It's the norm there to just write and edit minimally. The paid readers are willing to pay so much for chapters so they will probably ok to become patrons too if they like your book.
4) Pay attention to the trending genres there. IF your story some of these theme: smut, EXTRA, villian/villianess, system... you can expect to do well. SMUT do extremely well in the beginning and can give good start. But if you tick none of those boxes (like my story) then it can be really challenging to survive there.
5) WN readers love books with high chapter counts. Around 200-300 chapters are when books take off. So, author tend to break chapters into 1k words small chapters to increase the chapter count.

And about the contract, while I don't think it's as bad as people said, it's still a good idea to think about it carefully. There's no point signing the non-exclusive contract. And for the exclusive one, you will lose your rights. I see you have patrons so you will lose all of them too.
I'm an honorable young man, I have my right and doings I'm obliged to work on.

I prefer one singular attentive reader over millions of robots.
 

Kalliel

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I can not recommend Webnovel. Their enforcement on content guidelines is very arbitrary. It's not great for earning money either, but they pay bank transfer, so you do not need PayPal. At least they did in 2021.

Tapas is not bad, but there are payment limitations for some countries since you need PayPal to receive the money. Otherwise, you need someone with a PayPal account to make the account for you. Their enforcement is fair and they will give you a chance to make changes if you violate their content guidelines.
I've heard people talking about Tapas a lot, but all I've seen there are villainess stories that, as far as I can tell, are from Korea and are already being adapted to manhwas. Is there actually a place for original English novels?
 

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I've heard people talking about Tapas a lot, but all I've seen there are villainess stories that, as far as I can tell, are from Korea and are already being adapted to manhwas. Is there actually a place for original English novels?
Also I'd like to add that Tapas is mostly for Manhwas. Idk the specific but I wouldn't be surprised if the ratio between manhua vs novel reader is like 1/10 and I still find that a highball.
 

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I've heard people talking about Tapas a lot, but all I've seen there are villainess stories that, as far as I can tell, are from Korea and are already being adapted to manhwas. Is there actually a place for original English novels?
According to a free book on Publishing Serial Fiction, it originally focused on webtoons and comic books but was also starting to get into fiction two years ago, mostly translations of manga and manhwa. I did look into it before I came here, but the PayPal thing kept me from digging too far (have an old PayPal account I haven't touched in about a decade)
 

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Sooo, I'm a bit paranoid. Just to get that out there, I might actually be very paranoid. So I get anxious easily and when I posted my stories initially on WN, I had a few things happen that my paranoid brain deciphered very negatively.
For example: FanFictions can not be put on the market. I put up a FanFiction, in a category that wasn't well known, on a site that has barely any search function when it comes to fandoms, only uploaded a handful of chapters, but I still got views and all. My first Webnovel didn't do well, but it got views as well. I later started my current main project and it hit off a good amount of readers right away. I got a contract offer, which I denied, after just a few days. And from that moment onward, despite posting a chapter three times a week, I made what? 20 Views in a week at best? While the FF and the other WN, who had been on hiatus for MONTHS still made views.
That's when I got a bit irritated. It felt as if my story had stopped being "promoted" - as if it didn't show up on lists for updated stories or anything at all, as if new readers just couldn't find my story, though it was accessible through a direct link. Again, I know I'm paranoid, but it never changed the fact that it felt wrong.
Then I looked up the website and found more than one claim that if you didn't deny each and every contract, they might find a way to steal your work. Basically, they make it so that not denying means accepting by default. And it doesn't even matter if they like the story as you wrote it, because after accepting, as others have stated, they own your IP. I've heard many stories about exploited authors who, if they weren't fast enough with their schedule, were replaced as the authors of their own story. And for all of that effort, you are shittily paid as well.
Anyway, so I scrambled to get home that day, because you couldn't deny those contracts on your phone, which they knew, because it even said that the link you needed to got to in order to deny, could not be opened on a mobile device - which is also weird, because you can just "not accept" a contract, because it won't happen if you don't, so, really, why would you need to deny anyway? If it was because they then stop bugging you, I don't know why they sent me this contract shit every day from then on. Also interesting is the fact that MANY Webnovels, because that was the original way they were conceived, are written on mobile devices and also read on them. So why would they put something on there, that cannot be accessed by a mobile device, knowing most people in china, where they are sitting, don't even have real computers at home, because they lack the space for it?
Anyway, the last one I got before I decided this was creepy and stopped uploading there, I filled out at the additional comments with a nicely written "Just fuck off already" and deleted all the chapters. :blob_cookie:A while before that, in an effort to reboot my first Webnovel, I found out that deleting books was somehow impossible on this site. Also, when deleting chapters, if I remember correctly, the deleted chapter moved from public to draft, from draft to the bin and then you had to delete it there again. If you missed a step, the chapter would still remain on the site.
But the kicker was: A few days later or so, when I decided to also take down the covers and titles of the empty husks that were once my books, I could not enter my dashboard any longer. So I still had my account, but I was cut off deliberately from the novel editing section. I would have understood, had they deleted all my works and my account for the fuck off, but had I not immediately removed my chapters, they would have cut me off of my own IP. They basically kept my stuff and threw me out without any notification. After all, my covers and even the blurbs were still there, which were also my work.

Well, that sums up my experience with Webnovel as well: :poop:
 
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