What do you think about Inc*st?

[Beta_Krogoth]

Personally can't stand it in any way, shape or form. Stops me from enjoying content, do not understand the appeal at all.

 

[MisterSyafiq]

Personally can't stand it in any way, shape or form. Stops me from enjoying content, do not understand the appeal at all.

Welcome to minority groubs bro

 

[Mephi]

Taboo? Yes, its taboo. Modern society frowns on it.

Immoral? Nah. There's nothing innately wrong or evil about it beyond the genetic diseases a baby might get.

Do I want to read it? Probably not, but mostly because I don't read a lot of romance type stories in the first place. Otherwise, don't care.

 

[Anon2024]

As someone who is writing and putting it in my smut... I can only say that it's great for shock value and there are a certain niche of readers who like it. Personally I prefer a fantasy setting for such a scenario, similar to like the greek gods where genetics were not a factor and they broke every rule of natural law there was.

Although "humans from different worlds" could work.

In general I've learned to separate fiction from reality so even if I like reading or consuming it in fiction, it doesn't mean I like consuming it in real life. Just like playing video games, just because I like to headshot five people in a row in CSGO doesn't mean I'll do something like that in real life.

 

[T.K._Paradox]

there are a certain niche of readers who like it.

Some of the biggest revenue from porn titles include incestuous themes, it is way more common you might think.

But of course that doesn't mean those people would actually commit such an act, well at least most of them.

 

[Anon2024]

Some of the biggest revenue from porn titles include incestuous themes, it is way more common you might think.

But of course that doesn't mean those people would actually commit such an act, well at least most of them.

You're probably right about the revenue. People who are into porn kind of need something more and more taboo to get the juice flowing. It's best to just find someone and be monogamous... if you don't want to speed down that rabbit hole... but people have the right to do what they want as long as they aren't hurting others and it's consensual.

 

[TheEldritchGod]

The very idea of fucking my sister makes me want to vomit.

 

[human]

In fiction it's eh, not really something I care about.

In real life? Vomit inducing.

 

[Bartun]

Well, as with many other things, Japan's view on incest is completely different from ours in the West. It is also taboo for them but not in the same way. They strongly believe in the fates and reincarnation, so being lovers from a past life and being reincarnated as siblings is either fate's ultimate insult (because siblings could never be together as in a "star-crossed lovers" way) or fate's ultimate reward (because you were "fated" to be together since born) so it depends on the circumstances. There is a cultural thing that the big sibling must protect the younger sibling at all costs, so is not rare that some siblings to develop the "big brother/siter complex", the younger siblings admire and worship the older one so much that are afraid to "lose" him/her to a stranger, thus becoming extremely jealous and attached, even if they aren't sexually attracted.

So yeah, the trope is prevalent in anime because of that. But what do I know, anyway? I'm just a dinosaur.

 

[MisterSyafiq]

Well, as with many other things, Japan's view on incest is completely different from ours in the West. It is also taboo for them but not in the same way. They strongly believe in the fates and reincarnation, so being lovers from a past life and being reincarnated as siblings is either fate's ultimate insult (because siblings could never be together as in a "star-crossed lovers" way) or fate's ultimate reward (because you were "fated" to be together since born) so it depends on the circumstances. There is a cultural thing that the big sibling must protect the younger sibling at all costs, so is not rare that some siblings to develop the "big brother/siter complex", the younger siblings admire and worship the older one so much that are afraid to "lose" him/her to a stranger, thus becoming extremely jealous and attached, even if they aren't sexually attracted.

So yeah, the trope is prevalent in anime because of that. But what do I know, anyway? I'm just a dinosaur.

Such decent explanation....
Ya hit right on the spot.
If ony not because of that last sentence, Mr.dinosaurs.

 

[Deleted member 57675]

Disgusting. People have done it in the past with marrying cousins or a grand uncle to a grand niece or an aunt and niece to marry same husband. Marying cousins was done in history between certain families so it doesn'tseem as unusual, but in this day and age its abhorrent. And uncle to niece or aunt + niece to same husband is also ...

The above cousins part i can understand only if its historical fiction. Thats bout it.
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Family dynamic would be weird. Any blood relation, especially very close within blood lineage/relations is vomiting.. Unless its so distant distant like separated by many, many, many generations and they are not direct lineage down.

Never fond of the lil sister thing going on in some fictions.

Only exception:
If its step siblings, maybe bc they have no blood relation. People who fall in love with their siblings bc they never knew they were siblings is unfortunate.

 

[Ymadthepirate]

If it is between two consenting adults idc, but I'll make fun of it I make fun of everything.

 

[gaylolis]

It made me think: does non-incestual relationship be considered Outcest?

 

[MisterSyafiq]

It made me think: does non-incestual relationship be considered Outcest?

Ya could make a thread about that

 

[SternenklarenRitter]

I have little attachment to incest, besides puzzlement for why people shun and/or fetishize it. It doesn't seem much different then 'culturally normative' relationships to me. However, some incest themed stories/anime make me uncomfortable, because I get the sense the writer(s) have someone very specific in mind. Incest? no problem. Writing a story about your real life crush? darned creepy.

 

[Ilikewaterkusa]

I think its fine.
Incest is really only a 'taboo' because of health reasons. Health is beyond the universe of most webnovels, so it doesn't really matter. Just dont reproduce with your actual sibling.

And moral reasons.

 

[GodlessEmperor]

And moral reasons.

I don't see any moral issues with incest. 2 consenting adults having an intimate relationship should have no moral issues because they are blood related imo. The only moral issue is giving your offspring a high chance of an unhealthy birth, which again comes back to being a health issue.

Moral in the end is something very subjective, which is why I didn't mention it.

A "few" years back incest was encouraged in most parts of western culture. Mainly because they didn't know about the health issues.
Due to discovered health risks society started shunning incest, which is good. Biology does exist in real life afterall.

Since it all ties back to health defects for the children I think it has no moral conflict at all. Which is why I think incest should be accepted for gay couples, since they can't have children anyway.

I simplified things quite a bit but I hope this makes my viewpoint clear. As mentioned, morals are purely subjective so I hope no one takes this as anything but a subjective view on this topic.

P.S.: My opinion can change in the future, don't hold this 3 am post against me when I say something else in the future.

 

[Ilikewaterkusa]

I don't see any moral issues with incest. 2 consenting adults having an intimate relationship should have no moral issues because they are blood related imo. The only moral issue is giving your offspring a high chance of an unhealthy birth, which again comes back to being a health issue.

Moral in the end is something very subjective, which is why I didn't mention it.

A "few" years back incest was encouraged in most parts of western culture. Mainly because they didn't know about the health issues.
Due to discovered health risks society started shunning incest, which is good. Biology does exist in real life afterall.

Since it all ties back to health defects for the children I think it has no moral conflict at all. Which is why I think incest should be accepted for gay couples, since they can't have children anyway.

I simplified things quite a bit but I hope this makes my viewpoint clear. As mentioned, morals are purely subjective so I hope no one takes this as anything but a subjective view on this topic.

P.S.: My opinion can change in the future, don't hold this 3 am post against me when I say something else in the future.

Subjective morality does not exist. That theory has been extensively debunked time and time again with tens of thousands of pages of detail and the concept of subjective morality can be used to justify universally despicable and abhorrent things such as genocide.
The morality of incest was molded around the subconscious instinctual knowledge that it isn’t best to fuck my sibling. This instinctual knowledge was developed by evolution. The morality against genocide was that unconscious instinct resurfacing into a conscious form to further reinforce the idea that you shouldn’t fuck your sibling.

 

[EternalSunset0]

I personally felt uncofortable when watching this anime genre. Sadly, I lately find that this genre is too common.
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Bruh, isn't it a bit... Immoral and taboo?

I don't care about it. I don't actively seek it out, but the most "incest" I see with the media I consume is like a little sister being very clingy, devoted, and/or doting to her brother and I find that cute. It's not the "fucking" aspect of it that attracts me. Either way, I don't have strong feelings about it.

Then again, when it comes to anime, I never got into the "true" imouto genre shows like Eromanga-sensei (I do find Sagiri cute tho). The most "incest" I watched is probably Mahouka, and it never even bothered me too much. The other instances are lighter, I guess, like the relationship between the protagonist and Nanako in Persona 4 or Kirito and Suguha in SAO. Maybe we can include Lelouch and Nunnaly's relationship. You get the idea.

 

[GodlessEmperor]

Subjective morality does not exist. That theory has been extensively debunked time and time again with tens of thousands of pages of detail

Huh? theory? debunked?
First of all its not a theory. Secondly, I have yet to see a relevant peer reviewed psychology science paper (relevant being 1000+ citations).
Morality is part of the human psychology and ethics, which both are considered to be almost completely subjective. Therefore the same applies to morality, which is part of those.

the concept of subjective morality can be used to justify universally despicable and abhorrent things such as genocide.

it would be hard to justify something like that with just that. But on this point, if a dictator views it as moral to do so, then it is subjective, since there is diversity in the view on the matter of genocide. It is only objective if it is the same for EVERYONE. Physics and math is objective, you dont have lower gravity because you are a farmer or whatever.
Wether you want to justify something with morality doesnt matter, the masses decide, the winners decide, not the "morally right".
If you want to make this objective at this point, you'll have to say that dictators are in fact not human.

The morality of incest was molded around the subconscious instinctual knowledge that it isn’t best to fuck my sibling. This instinctual knowledge was developed by evolution.

Yes it is "hardcoded" into us to avoid incest. That is because of biology. Survival of the fittest. Incest children had lower survival rates, due to health issues. Through that we learned early on to avoid incest after a bunch of generations. Its just our survival instinct, like avoiding pain, nothing to with morality. Unless you want to say that falling down and getting hurt is immoral.

The morality against genocide was that unconscious instinct resurfacing into a conscious form to further reinforce the idea that you shouldn’t fuck your sibling.

sry I dont get this sentence.


Also I dont get why you attacked the "moral is subjective" out of all things. You didn't even clarify how incest is connected to morality. Just a "because its bad" is no good btw. "Good" and "Bad" are just social constructs created by humans anyway. There needs to be a globally applicable reason why it should be considered im/moral.

tens of thousands of pages

I assume youre talking about books whne you say thousands of pages, since no amount of papers will get you that much. Books are not proof in any capacity. Books are not peer vewied, they are subjectively written by people with the same view on things. You can use such books to learn more about topics and along with other books you can build an opinion on a topic with them. Not proof. Even relevant sience papers are not hard proof as we do not understand human psychology at all yet, so even if there is a relevant paper with only positive citations, its more of a "yeah Ill accept that until we find out more".