Why do all the yuri novels seem to be gender-bender?

Moonpearl

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Wow, that's pretty shitty.
Ugh. That’s... quite the displeasure.
That was only the cherry on the cake for that novel, to be honest.

The main character was a twenty-something shut-in whose ideal woman was a fifteen year-old girl who was small, meek, docile, and obedient. He even boasted when he made the character he ended up becoming that he'd be a better woman than real women, because he, as man, knew what men found sexy.

He tried to "prove he was a man" by trying and failing to rape one of the girls (for "comedy" purposes). He claimed she'd "asked for it" because she'd let a "boy" into her room.

He also had that "slave falling in love with the kind ex-master" plot going, except that he never released her from slavery nor was he ever even passingly nice to her. He literally bought her as a slave to be a meatshield for him in battle.

But nobody in the story notices this because all his attempts to act out his shitty intentions gets ~comically misunderstood~ and he's so devoted to acting like his own "perfect woman".

I still feel nauseous even just thinking about that garbage...
 

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I also hate genderbender. It adds nothing to the story 99% of the time. And I feel like people only do it because it's popular.

It's hard to accurately write the opposite gender. If you can't do it right, then don't do it. Going about things halfway will only upset people.

It's not like anyone cares though, so it doesn't really matter, as long as they're entertained they'll be happy. Who cares about doing things right!

At least people are writing. That should be enough. It should be...
 

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That was only the cherry on the cake for that novel, to be honest.

The main character was a twenty-something shut-in whose ideal woman was a fifteen year-old girl who was small, meek, docile, and obedient. He even boasted when he made the character he ended up becoming that he'd be a better woman than real women, because he, as man, knew what men found sexy.

He tried to "prove he was a man" by trying and failing to rape one of the girls (for "comedy" purposes). He claimed she'd "asked for it" because she'd let a "boy" into her room.

He also had that "slave falling in love with the kind ex-master" plot going, except that he never released her from slavery nor was he ever even passingly nice to her. He literally bought her as a slave to be a meatshield for him in battle.

But nobody in the story notices this because all his attempts to act out his shitty intentions gets ~comically misunderstood~ and he's so devoted to acting like his own "perfect woman".

I still feel nauseous even just thinking about that garbage...
That’s not a gender bender gone wrong, that’s a wacko moral compass for the MC and surroundings that really don’t care.
 

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That’s not a gender bender gone wrong, that’s a wacko moral compass for the MC and surroundings that really don’t care.
If only the novel had been written as a psychological novel taking advantage of that. Unfortunately, it was written like it was just a normal yuri harem fantasy. I got the feeling that the author completely agreed with the protagonist's views.
 

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I think there's an important distinction to be drawn between the different genres of yuri and lesbian romance, even if they get muddled on this site. Yuri in anime and Japanese novels is fundamentally intended for a male audience - it's written and directed to appeal to heterosexual male tastes in watching women, and as was already pointed out, often also written by heterosexual men. Thus, if the protagonist is a gender bent man, that's just extra points in the reader/author being able to self-insert. I'm sure there are many exceptions, and of course since actual LGBT lit has been really rare until recently yuri still gets a lot of readership from lesbians, but I think if you compared the two side by side you'd be able to notice a difference. Just my two cp :)
 

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I once had the displeasure of reading a story where the man called lesbians wrong and disgusting, even thinking of his love interests that way for liking him, but he pretended to be a sweet girl to their faces and dated them anyway.
Might be a displeasure but I'm kinda curious on how the author handled it. Did he put some psychological explanation or some in-depth analysis or is it just boo woman bad
 

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I also hate genderbender. It adds nothing to the story 99% of the time. And I feel like people only do it because it's popular.

It's hard to accurately write the opposite gender. If you can't do it right, then don't do it. Going about things halfway will only upset people.

It's not like anyone cares though, so it doesn't really matter, as long as they're entertained they'll be happy. Who cares about doing things right!

At least people are writing. That should be enough. It should be...
I think people write genderbend so they could compensate the halfway for the other half. Writing as a female would be hard but a guy in a chick's body would be presumably piss easy.

But considering the amount of genderbend Yuris were getting on the site with the average quality, people aren't using that to their advantage at all

seems like they all only focus on the group bathing scene
 

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I think there's an important distinction to be drawn between the different genres of yuri and lesbian romance, even if they get muddled on this site. Yuri in anime and Japanese novels is fundamentally intended for a male audience - it's written and directed to appeal to heterosexual male tastes in watching women, and as was already pointed out, often also written by heterosexual men. Thus, if the protagonist is a gender bent man, that's just extra points in the reader/author being able to self-insert. I'm sure there are many exceptions, and of course since actual LGBT lit has been really rare until recently yuri still gets a lot of readership from lesbians, but I think if you compared the two side by side you'd be able to notice a difference. Just my two cp :)
Come to think of it, most of them is for the genderbend ecchi lulz rather than actual LGBT
 

Moonpearl

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I think there's an important distinction to be drawn between the different genres of yuri and lesbian romance, even if they get muddled on this site. Yuri in anime and Japanese novels is fundamentally intended for a male audience - it's written and directed to appeal to heterosexual male tastes in watching women, and as was already pointed out, often also written by heterosexual men. Thus, if the protagonist is a gender bent man, that's just extra points in the reader/author being able to self-insert. I'm sure there are many exceptions, and of course since actual LGBT lit has been really rare until recently yuri still gets a lot of readership from lesbians, but I think if you compared the two side by side you'd be able to notice a difference. Just my two cp :)
Isn't yuri as a genre primarily aimed at straight girls, though, with men only coming to the genre more recently? It developed out of Class S literature, after all, and is written with shoujo tropes, with mostly women writing it.
Non gender bender yuri isn't nearly as bad.

Might be a displeasure but I'm kinda curious on how the author handled it. Did he put some psychological explanation or some in-depth analysis or is it just boo woman bad
No, I think it was supposed to be funny. Like how they often have the protagonist panic in a similar way in normal yuri or yaoi, for "comedy", except he took it too far and the gender bender meant it was just a straight guy verbally abusing a lesbian in his head.
He just put forward the notion that homosexuality was bad and wrong.
 
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If only the novel had been written as a psychological novel taking advantage of that. Unfortunately, it was written like it was just a normal yuri harem fantasy. I got the feeling that the author completely agreed with the protagonist's views.
It could also be they say it as a ‘normal’ occurrence within the setting (i.e. slavery in Isekai being normal, but obviously not in reality)
 

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It could also be they say it as a ‘normal’ occurrence within the setting (i.e. slavery in Isekai being normal, but obviously not in reality)
The non-slave characters were fine with the slavery because it was normal in their world, yes. But the norm for isekai is that the slave girl falls in love because the protagonist frees her and treats her nicely, so she follows him anyway. He never did that but she randomly fell in love at first sight anyway. And he was from our world and pretty much jumped on the "yay, slavery!" train after one line about how he "didn't really support it".

There was really no deep justification for this guy. There was no attempt at justification. It was a crappy otaku's power hungry wet dream that showed a little too much deranged otaku from the author.
 
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personally i don't really care but gender bender or not, i just want to see some surreal comedy of cute girls doing cute things.

i love yuru yuri a lot and it has a big influence on me. especially the scene when chinatsu's hair took all the ping pong balls.
 

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personally i don't really care but gender bender or not, i just want to see some surreal comedy of cute girls doing cute things.

i love yuru yuri a lot and it has a big influence on me. especially the scene when chinatsu's hair took all the ping pong balls.
We need more comedy. I enjoy laughing. :blob_joy:
 

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I think a lot of the issues with Gender Bender stories, especially GB romance ones, is that some people barely put any focus on the mental aspect of it, and instead spend all their time talking about the physical (usually presented as erotic) changes. That's how you get chapters upon chapters of a character playing with their new-found "parts", and nothing about, for example, the long term effects of what it's like to see someone that isn't you in the mirror, or the feeling of losing your sense of self.

Regarding the whole "self-insert as female" thing, though, I've often heard people complain that GB yuri often reads the same way as a straight relationship, just with the guy replaced by a genderbent girl. So... it does actually show through in the writing, a lot of the time, if that's the case.
 
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One of the best genderbent characters I’ve ever read is, quite ironically, not the main character of the series they’re from. Kumo Desu Ga, Nani Ka’s Katia, and also the main character as well, who is changed not from one gender to another, but from human to spider.

For Katia, the mental aspect of how they view themselves is an extremely important part of her character development, and the main character can be seen to gradually change farther and farther from humanity. Katia’s inner thoughts as shown in the side stories of volumes 1-3 show huge changes in how she thinks differently compared to before.
 
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