SEX APPEAL

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I wanted to discuss sex appeal and why it matters. First, what is sex appeal?

Sex appeal is what attracts character X to the opposite gender.

I know you're going scream, "whut about" and fill in some niche sexual dynamic. You do you, my friend. I'm talking about the generalities here.


Why does it matter?

If you are trying to sell your story, and you are trying to sell your story, you need to appeal to the reader. You are trying to, at the very least, get the reader to spend his or her time on your story. To do this, you should try to make your MC someone that the reader will enjoy reading about. People enjoy reading about sexy people, even if those people never have sex.


So what is sexy?

Here's where I have been finding problems lately and what made me want to post this. For some reason, I'm seeing women being written as being sexy, but they are being written to be sexy to other women (and no, not in a GL story) and guys being written to be sexy to other men, when it's not a BL story. It is almost always a problem of the author not understanding what is sexy. So, Let me explain.


Men generally find the following sexy: Good Looking, Nice Personality, Low Body count

That's about it.

Now, some men might find sexy to be a high body count, but actually, I think you will find that actually, such men are attracted to the PERSONALITY that would produce a high body count, but they would prefer if they caught her really earily so she didn't have a body count yet. Is this universal? No. But it's the basics.

Now, when writing, there is only so much you can do as far as "good looking", because this is text. You basically describe her once, and that's about all you need. We're good after that. Personality is the most important factor. What is important? Actually, that's the hard part. Men like a Wide range of personalities as 'sexy'. Innocent. Violent, mothering, you name it. A good rule of thumb is a guy usually falls in love with his mother.

So how does this help you, the writer?

Pick whatever personality you are going with, and stick to your guns. Actions are what guys look at most, not words. What your MC female does is her personality. Is she loyal? Does she lie? Is she super horny, but only for one guy? Is she pushy except when it matters then lets her BF be in charge? Whatever it is, pick your niche personality and stick to it, because some guys will fall for it, others won't. You can't appeal to everyone.

There is no perfect woman. Just perfect Women.

The phrase, "You are perfect for me." isn't just BS. Guys say that because they do honestly come to believe there is a "perfect woman, for HIM." What is the most popular female type? Damned if I know, but if you figure it out, let me know. All I can suggest is, stick to your guns, whatever personality to give her.


Women are Way more complicated.

You hear that women want the Nice guy, but go after the bad boy. Truth is, it isn't one or the other. They want BOTH. They want the bad boy who IS a nice guy. It's two different metrics. The Bad Boy spectrum is typically based on appearance and masculinity. How tough he is. Is power, dominance, all that dark triad shit.

Women like peaceful men, not harmless men.

A harmless man isn't a threat to anyone. A peaceful man is a threat to everyone, but chooses not to be violent.

Maybe it's evolution, but women love it when they know their guy can and will kick everyone else's ass. Yes, it can be terrifying to know your boyfriend is extremely violent, but if he;s only violent when you are threatened, then hey, it's all good.

On the other spectrum we have the nice guy. This is based on how much the guy gives the girl (either money or time/attention) and how well he cleans up. How presentable he is in public. I knew a guy in college, rather fat, I mean, morbidly fat. However, he was always clean. He had excellent taste in clothes, and he had a lot of money. He also was very confident and rather commanding. He was moderately high on the bad boy scale, but was very high on the nice guy scale.

He had quite a few girlfriends.

Yes, appearance is important, but only on the bad boy scale. On the Nice guy scale, culture, wealth, self-esteem, personalty, nice taste, and a willingness to spend time and money on your partner can get you rather far.

So you wind up with:
Low Nice Low Bad guys being men who every woman ignores.
You have High Bad, low nice, or your average biker that your daughter sleeps with a few times then dumps, then hooks back up with in a few months when she gets bored.
You have your friendzoned fool who is High Nice, low bad. He's someone the girl talks to but will never sleep with.
Then you get high Bad, High Nice who is basically... Prince Charming.

No. Really.

Look at any Otome game. The ML is a Prince or High level Noble with Good Looks. He's usually good with a sword, more than a little dangerous, often very commanding and takes control. He's a bit wild, but "SHE" managed to tame him so that he's A High Value Guy who Is Dangerous but spends all his time/money/attention on one person, the FL.

Of course that doesn't happen in real life. A prince charming these days has so many women throwing themselves at him that he usually has one main girl and a half dozen side pieces, but we're talking about fantasy and wish fufillment.

So how do you make a sexy male lead.

Well, this is often why you see MLs as handsome, socially akward, and secretly powerful. He is a diamond in the rough who just needs the right girl to find him and polish him up. He's either secretly a prince, or he's actually secretly a very powerful magic user, or swordsman, or demon slayer. He's rough around the edges and usually violent, but he keeps it under control around "HER".

This is often why people get annoyed with MLs with harems. They have the violent, the handsome, the masculinity, but they aren't giving all their attention to one ML. Even to other men, they can sense this is a no-no. Yes, some men want to go, "I want lots'o'woman!" but the truth is, we know that isn't "sexy". We know women aren't turned off by the multiple partners, but the fact he isn't giving 100% to one person. There are women willing to put up with it. Often you'll find women who would rather share a "perfect man", over settling for a man who gives them 100% of his attention. 20% of perfect is better than 100% of average.

However, in a story, that doesn't sell.

TL/DR: Physical Attributes, masculinity, culture/how well they clean up, and wealth/time/attention are the four aspects that make a ML sexy to women.

Yes, there are many other factors, but I'm talking about the base factors here.


The problem is when a woman tries to write a woman who is sexy to men, sometimes she writes the woman like she would find a MAN to be sexy. She writes her FL as High on the Bad Girl scale and High on the Nice Girl scale, not knowing that for men, they are the same scale. To women, there are Bad & Nice men, but there are no Bad & Nice girls to men. A bad girl and a nice girl are opposites to most men. You can't be both. When they write both in the same FL, it isn't appealing (unless it's GL, then go for it.)

Conversely, this is often why I find so many MLs written by men to be so god damn shallow. They make them "BAD Boys" or "NICE guys", but they are never a mix of the two, and as such, such MLs are often flat, one dimensional, and frankly, annoying to everyone. They assume it's one or the other, so the character feels... off.




Anyrate, just something that I noticed for the umpteenth time and it's been annoying me.
It's mostly subjective and it's purely upon the writer on what they think is sexy and what not.
 

TheEldritchGod

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It's mostly subjective and it's purely upon the writer on what they think is sexy and what not.
No.
A writer writes, he does not consume product. Finding something sexy is to consume the product, therefore only readers can determine what is and is not sexy. I can write something "sexy", but it only becomes sexy when I read it. Because no matter what I write, it is or is not sexy until someone reads it.

The writer doesn't determine shit. He can GUESS what the reader will find sexy, but he is still trying to write for the reader. Even if he says, "I'm writing it for me", then the author is flat out ADMITTING he is the reader. He just happens to also be the writer.
 

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am i the only one that feels that thread OP and the poster right above me are predicating their thoughts on authors who want to make a career of it and thus follow the trends and tries to prognosticate what readers might want or find sexy?

their reasoning goes flying out the window when you consider authors who arent trying to make it a career and thus write what they want to write.
 

TheEldritchGod

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am i the only one that feels that thread OP and the poster right above me are predicating their thoughts on authors who want to make a career of it and thus follow the trends and tries to prognosticate what readers might want or find sexy?

their reasoning goes flying out the window when you consider authors who arent trying to make it a career and thus write what they want to write.
It doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter if you are doing it for money or not. You are, either way, asking for TIME from the reader. The reader has to spend TIME to read your story. If they spend money on top of that doesn't matter. You are asking the reader to give up SOMETHING for you. You are trying to entice them into reading what you wrote.

And I don't see how I'm prognosticating when I'm speaking in the most GENERAL terms possible.

Look. I don't care what you do, you are not going to make people find Lemons covered with mister potato head accessories sexy to the majority of readers. You might make them laugh, you might get people to read because they are curious as to where you are going to go with your Mister Lemon Head story. But you will not give your MC sex appeal.

Note, Sex appeal has little to do with sex.

Finding someone sexy and attractive doesn't mean they have sex. HKN is a story with a very chaste MC, yet he is rather sexy. He is attractive, but he is also on a quest to find his dead wife and figure out a way to get her back. He will not, at any point, have sex. However, he is an attractive man. Attractive in the most general way possible with a few quirks to make him stand out.

Now when I wrote porn, I didn't care what the MC looked like, in fact, it helped when he was a bit... ugly. Made it easier to sell.

but I'm not talking about porn. I'm talking about people writing characters in way that is obviously an attempt to make them attractive and appealing, but they are screwing it up because they are selling it to the wrong target audience.

Like it or not, the majority, is still the majority. You cannot change that. If you want to appeal to a minority, go for it. But if you are going to sell to the majority, at least do it right.
 

FebyA

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This is a good observation.

Then again, I don't think [harem] writers are trying to target the [female] demographics in the first place (replace the word in square brackets with any genre/audience).

If MC happens to be a socially awkward bookworm male, then it'll be easier for people who are also socially awkward bookworm males irl to relate. A feel good stories/wish-fulfillment could work wonders here. Should the writer care if readers who want a badass MC dislike it? I don't think so.

The story that annoys you is definitely not made for you. If you are trying to make everyone happy, then look around. Have you ever seen anyone do that? If so, emulate them.
 
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