The 8 Universal Story Conflicts

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This week I decided to tackle external conflicts! I look forward to combining this one in the future with the internal genres. And I'm positive this will play a major part in whatever course or process or whatever I build. Regardless, in the meantime, here we go:


I hope this helps you out!
 

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Yeah, I already saw this on Youtube as well.

Trying to think of more examples of that "Life Unraveling" conflict type than just the likes of "Worm" or the examples given here, but too many of the potential examples I think about often wind up just being the "refusal of the call" or "darkest hour" portions of the larger hero's journey plot structure.

I think Bojack and Worm may be the only examples of that conflict structure I'm aware of. (And they each take it in two completely different directions.)

EDIT: I think this might be a result of it being a rather difficult conflict type to approach. You need to first establish your character to show what they're losing, and then you need to be incredibly cruel to your character by knocking out the supports they have on their life one at a time.

Actually, come to think of it, I might have just thought of an entire trove of "life unraveling" structured plots. All of them are from a previous era of writing though. Plays written in the "tragedy" format tend to follow this plot structure rather frequently. Macbeth might be a rather famous example to look to, but I'm willing to bet that's just the tip of the iceberg if you start digging in that area.

EDIT 2: What the freak was I thinking!? I've been freaking blind! Mushoku Tensei repeatedly visits on this conflict structure. It really likes to unravel Rudie's life by one thread for a while, usually starting soon after one "turning point," and then he'll go down-hill for a while before starting to recover after the half-way point between the "turning points." Then, the next one hits, and he starts unraveling all over again. This continues until "turning point 4," which takes a bit of a different trajectory.

So, that's 3 separate instances of "life unraveling" stories happening over the course of a single epic greater story. It's subtle with the first one that follows "turning point 1." It's more caught up in the stress of having to survive after that disaster. It's far more blatant after "turning point 2," and then "turning point 3" takes a little while to hit, but it hits all at once when it does. So, it's not just 3 separate "life unraveling" plots, it's also handled in 3 different ways. "disguised by more urgent threats," "very classic and clear unraveling," and "life just breaks and collapses all at once in one horrible moment." (Yes, it's the one after "turning point 3" that I say is the all at once collapse, not "turning point 1." I say this because it's in reference to Rudy, not for the entire world as a whole.)

(I gotta say, I'm actually a big fan of those sorts of V-shaped plot structures, but Mushoku Tensei is rather cruel in the way it just pushes it's protagonist down the hill again as soon as he seems to have recovered from the previous one... although I'm not sure whether it's MT or Worm that's crueler since Worm doesn't even let it's protagonist have the reprieve of a brief recovery that MT does. Worm just keeps digging deeper and deeper and deeper into that pit of suffering. Then, when you think you've reached the bottom, something reaches up from the ground and pulls the protagonist even deeper. I do have to say, I am at least glad Worm does happen to be a V-shaped plot, but shees! The depths it gets to by that half-way point in the story!)
 
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"Life Unraveling" conflicts...
For examples of "Life Unraveling" stories, look for Stockholm Syndrome stories, and Psychological Thrillers, but this type of conflict is also commonly used in Horror stories.

For good examples of this conflict being used as the central conflict of the story (in the US), look no further than the older Psychological Thriller movies.

The most famous is Gaslight (1944). They even used this movie's title to name a whole set of psychological issues. Ever heard the term: Gaslighting? It comes directly from this one movie.

The second most famous is the story; Turn of the Screw (1898), which became a slew of movies. The most famous of which is The Innocents (1961). There are several remakes, but none are quite as creepy as the The Innocents -- in my opinion.

Movies that use "Life Unraveling" as their core conflict:
-- Rebecca (1940), Suspicion (1941), Gaslight (1944), Rear Window (1954), The Innocents (1961) based on the 1898 novella; Turn of the Screw, The Changeling (1980), Requiem for a Dream (2000), Room (2015), Memento (2000), Girl from Plainville (2022), Machination (2022), to name a few.

As for manga and anime, this tends to show up in Mature stories (seinan?), and most of them are labelled: Horror.

MONSTER being the first one that comes to mind, and it IS labelled Horror.
-- MONSTER (stylized in all caps) is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Naoki Urasawa (1994-2001). There was an anime too, (2004). The story revolves around Kenzo Tenma, a Japanese surgeon living in Düsseldorf, Germany whose life enters turmoil after he gets himself involved with Johan Liebert, one of his former patients, who is revealed to be a psychopathic serial killer.

This type of conflict is Difficult to Write -- mainly because it can very easily fall into the Horror genre, and frequently Does, but also because it takes a lot of Research into just how twisted people can be.

Just to start with, the writer must be willing to torture the main characters, even if it's only mentally and emotionally. To accomplish this, the writer needs to know an incredible amount about psychology; psychopathy and sociopathy in particular. The research into how these people think: why they do what they do, and just how many of them are out there Among Us-- is nightmare fuel alone.

However, what makes this type of conflict so hard to write, is that the writer needs to go very deeply into how the main characters Feel and React about what's happening to them, (7 stages of Grief,) AND just as deeply into the Mind of the one torturing them this way: how the main Antagonist (psychopath) Thinks.

This can be a very heavy emotional burden on the mind of the writer.

In my opinion, those that love to write Horror are the most likely to get this type of conflict Right -- with fewer psychological scars.

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For examples of "Life Unraveling" stories, look for Stockholm Syndrome stories, and Psychological Thrillers, but this type of conflict is also commonly used in Horror stories.

For good examples of this conflict being used as the central conflict of the story (in the US), look no further than the older Psychological Thriller movies.

The most famous is Gaslight (1944). They even used this movie's title to name a whole set of psychological issues. Ever heard the term: Gaslighting? It comes directly from this one movie.

The second most famous is the story; Turn of the Screw (1898), which became a slew of movies. The most famous of which is The Innocents (1961). There are several remakes, but none are quite as creepy as the The Innocents -- in my opinion.

Movies that use "Life Unraveling" as their core conflict:
-- Rebecca (1940), Suspicion (1941), Gaslight (1944), Rear Window (1954), The Innocents (1961) based on the 1898 novella; Turn of the Screw, The Changeling (1980), Requiem for a Dream (2000), Room (2015), Memento (2000), Girl from Plainville (2022), Machination (2022), to name a few.

As for manga and anime, this tends to show up in Mature stories (seinan?), and most of them are labelled: Horror.

MONSTER being the first one that comes to mind, and it IS labelled Horror.
-- MONSTER (stylized in all caps) is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Naoki Urasawa (1994-2001). There was an anime too, (2004). The story revolves around Kenzo Tenma, a Japanese surgeon living in Düsseldorf, Germany whose life enters turmoil after he gets himself involved with Johan Liebert, one of his former patients, who is revealed to be a psychopathic serial killer.

This type of conflict is Difficult to Write -- mainly because it can very easily fall into the Horror genre, and frequently Does, but also because it takes a lot of Research into just how twisted people can be.

Just to start with, the writer must be willing to torture the main characters, even if it's only mentally and emotionally. To accomplish this, the writer needs to know an incredible amount about psychology; psychopathy and sociopathy in particular. The research into how these people think: why they do what they do, and just how many of them are out there Among Us-- is nightmare fuel alone.

However, what makes this type of conflict so hard to write, is that the writer needs to go very deeply into how the main characters Feel and React about what's happening to them, (7 stages of Grief,) AND just as deeply into the Mind of the one torturing them this way: how the main Antagonist (psychopath) Thinks.

This can be a very heavy emotional burden on the mind of the writer.

In my opinion, those that love to write Horror are the most likely to get this type of conflict Right -- with fewer psychological scars.

☕
Where would you suggest I look for some general information on sociopathy/psychopathy for characterization? I'd rather it be for a general reader, meaning hopefully not loaded with occupation-based terms that I would then need to spend an extra period of time searching definitions for. But if it can't find anything of that nature, I'll take what you can give? Sites preferably. I doubt I'll go and purchase books I'll just refund or donate to a used book store a week later.
 

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For examples of "Life Unraveling" stories, look for Stockholm Syndrome stories, and Psychological Thrillers, but this type of conflict is also commonly used in Horror stories.

For good examples of this conflict being used as the central conflict of the story (in the US), look no further than the older Psychological Thriller movies.

The most famous is Gaslight (1944). They even used this movie's title to name a whole set of psychological issues. Ever heard the term: Gaslighting? It comes directly from this one movie.

The second most famous is the story; Turn of the Screw (1898), which became a slew of movies. The most famous of which is The Innocents (1961). There are several remakes, but none are quite as creepy as the The Innocents -- in my opinion.

Movies that use "Life Unraveling" as their core conflict:
-- Rebecca (1940), Suspicion (1941), Gaslight (1944), Rear Window (1954), The Innocents (1961) based on the 1898 novella; Turn of the Screw, The Changeling (1980), Requiem for a Dream (2000), Room (2015), Memento (2000), Girl from Plainville (2022), Machination (2022), to name a few.

As for manga and anime, this tends to show up in Mature stories (seinan?), and most of them are labelled: Horror.

MONSTER being the first one that comes to mind, and it IS labelled Horror.
-- MONSTER (stylized in all caps) is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Naoki Urasawa (1994-2001). There was an anime too, (2004). The story revolves around Kenzo Tenma, a Japanese surgeon living in Düsseldorf, Germany whose life enters turmoil after he gets himself involved with Johan Liebert, one of his former patients, who is revealed to be a psychopathic serial killer.

This type of conflict is Difficult to Write -- mainly because it can very easily fall into the Horror genre, and frequently Does, but also because it takes a lot of Research into just how twisted people can be.

Just to start with, the writer must be willing to torture the main characters, even if it's only mentally and emotionally. To accomplish this, the writer needs to know an incredible amount about psychology; psychopathy and sociopathy in particular. The research into how these people think: why they do what they do, and just how many of them are out there Among Us-- is nightmare fuel alone.

However, what makes this type of conflict so hard to write, is that the writer needs to go very deeply into how the main characters Feel and React about what's happening to them, (7 stages of Grief,) AND just as deeply into the Mind of the one torturing them this way: how the main Antagonist (psychopath) Thinks.

This can be a very heavy emotional burden on the mind of the writer.

In my opinion, those that love to write Horror are the most likely to get this type of conflict Right -- with fewer psychological scars.

☕
Yo, this thread is already dead.
 

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Where would you suggest I look for some general information on sociopathy/psychopathy for characterization? I'd rather it be for a general reader, meaning hopefully not loaded with occupation-based terms that I would then need to spend an extra period of time searching definitions for. But if it can't find anything of that nature, I'll take what you can give? Sites preferably. I doubt I'll go and purchase books I'll just refund or donate to a used book store a week later.
What if I did an episode on it? :s_wink:
 

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What if I did an episode on it? :s_wink:
Yeah sure. I could see that being real helpful.

Also, I'm pretty sure I know you from the Manga Forum group on Fictionpress. Can't remember the name you used back then though. I kinda lost touch with everyone. Once they left Skype chat and moved to discord, I lost touch because I lost my internet for about a year and a half. I think the last time I spoke to anyone in that circle, it was like 2017-2018?
 

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Yeah sure. I could see that being real helpful.

Also, I'm pretty sure I know you from the Manga Forum group on Fictionpress. Can't remember the name you used back then though. I kinda lost touch with everyone. Once they left Skype chat and moved to discord, I lost touch because I lost my internet for about a year and a half. I think the last time I spoke to anyone in that circle, it was like 2017-2018?
Wait, you were in RAOSR? Huh, I didn't expect to hear that today. :ROFLMAO: Who were you then? Regardless, I'm fairly certain I'm who you think I am then, as I often acted as I do now, even back then. Just a less "matured" version.

Also, we have a group on Discord. If you wish to join, drop me a PM, and I'll hook you up.
 

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I'm sure as hell I got warned cuz of necromancing threads.

WHY R YOU NOT
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-- Unlike ordinary conversation posts, Tutorials are meant to help readers/writers for as long as it's accessible.
 
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