Unpopular opinion on harems

atgongumerki

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I hate harems.

I do too.
Especially since your second argument, mostly pertains to the women not having any real character, or their character gets warped for the purpose of being part of the harem.
And another point I find very strange that most of the side characters who do not hook up with the mc, don't get any action. (few deviate from this)
This however may have changed as I have not touched any harem in years. (for the above reasons)

polyamorous harems

These are more agreeable, but I would not call them harems.
It's simply a sexually open society where everyone can bone whoever they want.

IS CUZ WHY DA FUCK YOU READING HAREMS IF YOU DONT LIKE THEM?!

Totally agree!

My 2 cents:
Don't kink-shame!
Let others enjoy what they enjoy!
And be nice to others! (except cupcake, I have been in this forum long enough to know that he always talks like this, so meh!)
 

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These are more agreeable, but I would not call them harems.
It's simply a sexually open society where everyone can bone whoever they want.

To be fair, they're more "harem" than the vast majority of modern harems. Most harem anime only have one girl getting chosen at the end if any of them get chosen at all, have zero sex involved, and you're lucky to get even a little bit of romantic teasing here and there. "Harem" has basically evolved in meaning to mean "anything where the main character has multiple love interests brought together by them." This would just be a harem where the love interests end up liking each other, too.

So, modern "harems": one guy who has a bunch of girls who like him, he probably doesn't even like them back, little to none romantic teasing, zero sex, and it's a miracle if even one girl gets chosen at the end.

Poly "harems": everybody likes each other and fucks, and they're also still usually centered around the main character even if they do like each other as well.

If either of those things are going to get called a harem, I'm voting for the second one.
 

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So, I have an unpopular opinion.
I hate harems.
The way I see it, there are a few different ways that harems can play out.
1. The main character is completely and absurdly dense, to the point where all the women in the harem fall in love with him only for him to be like 'Love? What is that? I've never heard of that before.' This is bad for very obvious reasons. It's painful to watch, and nobody gets any satisfaction in the end.
2. The main character is a complete perv and/or wants to mess around with all the women who are in love with him. Why is it, that in so much fiction, the women in a harem continuously love the man despite the fact that he is a complete scumbag, and doesn't even choose one to be with but rather puts off the decision while being with whoever is with him at the moment?
There is one series which I believe was a satirical take on this type of harem which many have probably heard of, an anime called 'school days'.
(Spoiler warning to anyone who intends to watch this, but imma be honest I wouldn't recommend watching as it will hurt your brain and your heart.)
Basically, the mc is exactly how it is described here, but the girls in this series react somewhat realistically.
Instead of clinging to him and never getting angry or depressed, the mc does end up severely hurting the people who are in love with him as he does what he wants and fails to choose a single one to be with. It's painful to watch, but makes you ask the question 'Why in most harems do the women not get hurt ever? Why do they continue to cling to the mc, and never get truly angry at him or sad that he is being bombarded by 5 other women and their assaults?' Sometimes, the women don't even consider each other as rivals but merely only focus on the mc and nothing else. It's just unrealistic, and so tailored towards what people want their own personal little world to be like. They want to be surrounded by women who will do their every beck and call, and not question the other 6 women who are doing the exact same thing. Preposterous.
3. The main character actually chooses one of the many women among the harem, hurting the ones who lost but ending up with the one who won.
This is the one that I hate the least, out of all harems, but it begs the question- why was this a harem in the first place? Just to hurt these other characters, or temporarily please the viewers at seeing the mc be ogled by many women before finally settling on one of them? Idk.

Well, my point is that harems are just painful to watch. The only reason people enjoy them is because perhaps they want to imagine themselves with a harem, but this is just.... wrong. Instead, I would much rather prefer the mc to have a single, focused love interest, or to not have one at all (Particularly in series where romance is not the focus).

This is just a rant. I'm sure many disagree with me, and I will be getting essays about the 'artistic meaning' and 'thought out character building' that composes a harem. Just, no.

This post is not referring to series which are dramas. Those are of their own genre, and completely focused on the drama itself- so I understand that. But, how many isekais do we see where the mc is surrounded by multiple women in love with him? More importantly, how many do we see that aren't like this? Very few. Why is this? It's clearly because there is a demand for it. People want it. People love it. But I, do not.
Your issue seems to stem from bad writing that on the idea of harems.

Harem stories tend to be wish-fulfillment stories. They aren't designed to be realistic or even believable. If that is not to your taste, better not bother with it.

To be fair, they're more "harem" than the vast majority of modern harems. Most harem anime only have one girl getting chosen at the end if any of them get chosen at all, have zero sex involved, and you're lucky to get even a little bit of romantic teasing here and there. "Harem" has basically evolved in meaning to mean "anything where the main character has multiple love interests brought together by them." This would just be a harem where the love interests end up liking each other, too.

So, modern "harems": one guy who has a bunch of girls who like him, he probably doesn't even like them back, little to none romantic teasing, zero sex, and it's a miracle if even one girl gets chosen at the end.

Poly "harems": everybody likes each other and fucks, and they're also still usually centered around the main character even if they do like each other as well.

If either of those things are going to get called a harem, I'm voting for the second one.
Well, harem does mean a group of girls associated to one guy, usually amorously.

Initially it means that they are sexually related to the guy too, though from further back it means the women under a man's household which includes servants and the women's relatives.

There is really no such thing as poly-harems because the association of many to one is its core concept.
 

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medieval ages we already had the Christian god with his monogamy thing

That was mostly referring to one wife!
Many of these people had open concubines.

At least I heard that the one 'man and one woman' concept is very new.

If either of those things are going to get called a harem

Of those two options, I would say neither is a harem.

About the first variant, I want to say: if the characters are not just cliches and have actual characters, I have no more valid points of critique.
I would still be unlikely to read them, as in my world it does not make sense to chase after someone who is obviously not interested in you.
 

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That was mostly referring to one wife!
Many of these people had open concubines.

At least I heard that the one 'man and one woman' concept is very new.



Of those two options, I would say neither is a harem.

About the first variant, I want to say: if the characters are not just cliches and have actual characters, I have no more valid points of critique.
I would still be unlikely to read them, as in my world it does not make sense to chase after someone who is obviously not interested in you.
Mfker you mean a couple hundred years ago i coulda had concubines too?

...i am limited by the culture of my time
 
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I present to you, the virtue of Chastity and the sin of Lust.

Female prudishness is a virtue for every patriarchal society.
Yep, it's true. Asian societies are mostly patriarchal. It's our culture here, and also, conservatism.
 

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Of those two options, I would say neither is a harem.

Of course, neither of them are "real" harems. My point, though, is that they're what make up 99% of modern "harems." The defintion of harem as a genre has evolved. However, if I was forced to pick which one of those was closer to the "real" definition of harem, I would choose the latter.

There is really no such thing as poly-harems because the association of many to one is its core concept.
Sure but, like I said, it's still closer to traditional harems than the majority of harems we see. The definition has evolved. If we're going to call anime harems "harems," then we might as well be calling "poly-harems" the same as well. Also, let's be real here. Take one guy - the main character. Give him a bunch of waifus. Make his waifus all gay for each other as well. Market it as a harem. I promise you that the vast majority of people specifically looking for harems are going to be fine with it and consider it a harem. Me and several other successful authors are already doing this exact thing and it has never posed a problem or caused any controversy regarding whether they're really harems or not. If anything, it would be hard to find an original-English harem that doesn't make the women at least slightly gay for each other. It's just usually played for the male fantasy of hot lesbians being hot lesbians rather than women who have deeper feelings for each other.

But again, if we want to go by the "true" definition of harem or whatever, then none of those are harems. 99% of what we call harems aren't actually harems. This entire thread isn't actually about harems. I am strictly speaking to what the term "harem" has evolved into as a genre, and that is basically anything where the main character has multiple love interests interested in them. Even if you take the traditional love triangle and put it in front of people who are used to seeing "harem" referenced, they're probably going to call it a harem instead of just a love triangle.
 

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At least I heard that the one 'man and one woman' concept is very new.
It is actually really old. Maybe not the norm but it exist for a very long time.
Mfker you mean a couple hundred years ago i coulda had concubines too?

...i am limited by the culture of my time
You can have harems as long as you have the means for it and you are in a culture that embrace it.
 

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Will saving them using cheat skills work?
Obviously. Bring out your inner Internet White Knight and come to m'lady's rescue with your fedora, fingerless gloves, and trenchcoat. The women will happily flock into your harem once you save them using your cheat skill.
 

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...i am limited by the culture of my time

You would need a ton of money but yeah! (in the past)

You can always just change your profession to a porn-star, then all that pesky monogamy is gone.
Or, which is easier, find a girl who is cool with you banging around, they are rare in my age-group but among the youths of this age, it is a valid concept. You just have to let them bang around as well!
Or easier yet, stay single. There is always surrogate parenting if you want a child.

cheat skills

mega dong = cheat
money = cheat
 
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Obviously. Bring out your inner Internet White Knight and come to m'lady's rescue with your fedora, fingerless gloves, and trenchcoat. The women will happily flock into your harem once you save them using your cheat skill.
Nah. I'm fine with the lady I love. I'm just asking for others' reference. 😅😅😅
 
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