‘Weapon’ families

[CarburetorThompson]

Seen this troupe in a lot of fantasy web novels and comics. Usually has to do with a noble character. It usually goes something along the lines of

‘This is a sword household no son of mine will be using a Warhammer!’

I just find the idea of an entire blood line only dedicated to a single weapon kind of absurd. I feel like if you went to medieval Europe, and said that you were a Knight who only used swords you get laughed at and then have the your shit kicked in. Because not only can every knight use swords they can use pretty much every other weapon as well.

Do you like this troupe? Personally don’t, but it’s never a deal breaker for me, I’d never stop reading something if it included this.

 

[SailusGebel]

It is never a deal breaker for me as well. Whether I like it or not depends on how creative author is with the combat, but only if it's fantasy.

 

[dummycake]

aren't there families dedicated to one profession? I could see a family dedicated to one weapon.

 

[APieceOfRock]

In a world where there are specific magics that can make specific weapons do "weapon arts" (or basically weapon magic), sticking to one weapon is understandable. If you were the leader of the family who invented the "flying sword meteor" sword art, you wouldn't want your heir to use a poleaxe.

Think of it like fencing manuals of our world. Yes, you wouldn't want to use a halberd manual to learn how to use a longsword. Some skills can transfer but you still wouldn't want to do it. It's best to use a halberd manual to learn how to use a halberd.

 

[Tsuru]

In a world where there are specific magics that can make specific weapons do "weapon arts" (or basically weapon magic), sticking to one weapon is understandable. If you were the leader of the family who invented the "flying sword meteor" sword art, you wouldn't want your heir to use a poleaxe.

Think of it like fencing manuals of our world. Yes, you wouldn't want to use a halberd manual to learn how to use a longsword. Some skills can transfer but you still wouldn't want to do it. It's best to use a halberd manual to learn how to use a halberd.

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(Monologue post)

And that is why i like/dislike/understand-it

Also I recommend one of my fav (that i am not sure if it will get also a "renaissance" anime like PASTRY / Sweet Reincarnation)

https://www.novelupdates.com/series/upstart-pastry-chef-territory-management-of-a-genius-patisserie/

It tackle the points about "genes/family/only-1weapon"

(and also the stupidity of it. THE "system/method" of doing it WORKS but MC is the exception + showing the IQ of old authors as MC had S-rank sword, and created a spear that kinda belong to sword category hence fooling patriach)



PS : Same author as
REDO HEALER
Assassin aristocrat
Orc wanting a harem (Mc named Ork, finished manga)

https://www.novelupdates.com/nauthor/tsukiyo-rui/

 

[Arch9CivilReactor]

Seen this troupe in a lot of fantasy web novels and comics. Usually has to do with a noble character. It usually goes something along the lines of

‘This is a sword household no son of mine will be using a Warhammer!’

I just find the idea of an entire blood line only dedicated to a single weapon kind of absurd. I feel like if you went to medieval Europe, and said that you were a Knight who only used swords you get laughed at and then have the your shit kicked in. Because not only can every knight use swords they can use pretty much every other weapon as well.

Do you like this troupe? Personally don’t, but it’s never a deal breaker for me, I’d never stop reading something if it included this.

Same with samurai as they had to be deft in many weapons to be considered capable soldiers. War kinda makes dedication to a weapon meaningless since the one who dies is the loser, so tactics and preparation are key.

Telling them ‘I only use one weapon’ is like saying they have issues with adapting on the battlefield.

 

[APieceOfRock]

Same author as
REDO HEALER
Assassin aristocrat

I did not know Redo Healer had the same author as Assassin aristocrat. They're just so different....

 

[Tsuru]

I did not know Redo Healer had the same author as Assassin aristocrat. They're just so different....

Same

Surprised me when i checked

BUT AT SAME TIME, not really a surprise

I mean. Redo healer's gruesomelies
is similar to "Assassin aristocrat"

(far less ofc, probably to cater to "audience". Author probably learned that from "past series" 's popularity and mainstream likes/animes)
(that and also bc REDO healer had animation but somehow skipped TON OF MEGA DARK moments = so ofc an author would "learn" from this experience)
(sad they didnt show the death of "gender reversed captain" by cum choking bc of sexing for hours, then burning house / they skipped directly to burn part)

 

[georgelee5786]

It sounds stupid. A family having focused on a specific weapon makes sense, but refusing to use all others doesn't. Most Medieval weapons had a specific application that other weapons couldn't do as well, so learning to use multiple weapons is generally a good idea. It wouldn't be a deal breaker, but I'd take it as a signal of more stupidity possibly incoming

 

[Santaisblue]

Makes perfect sense to me honestly, in most fantasy novels people can use magic skills if they have trained a specific weapon enough so if a family has trained a specific weapon for generations it would be a waste to start over without those generations of knowledge at your disposal.

 

[J_Chemist]

Waiting on the "Family Musket" to crop up in WWIII.

 

[CSDestroyer]

As they say, specialize with what you're good at. A burger chain like In N Out is popular because they focus on what they're very good at, and never expend resources or manpower trying to branch out to cover more markets. On the contrary, with weapons, I'm pretty sure there's quite a large variety of pole-arms and blades that a knight should be aware of, and should have a general idea how to use. They all have different use cases, after all, and sometimes supplies might come up short or weapons could break, and you have no choice but to use an alternative.

If family tradition is tied into it, as in, a family has been honing their skills with this specific weapon for generations to a point where they're known for using that weapon, then it does make sense that they'd be resistant to the idea of their family lineage tossing that knowledge away to go on a different path.

Waiting on the "Family Musket" to crop up in WWIII.

You joke, but ancient muzzle loaders have seen genuine use up until the early Cold War. The US supplied them to Burma and other Southeast Asian nations to resist Japanese occupation, and those people even had their own black powder weapons that were left there from the past century of colonialism that they used against the occupying Japanese. Even to this day, muzzle loaders see very, very niche use cases with Myanmar anti-junta guerillas against the government. Black powder is surprisingly easy to source.

And don't forget the Appalachians, a surprising amount of people living there own black powder weapons dating back to the Civil War.

 

[ACertainPassingUser]

Well, thinks of it as bussiness families forces their family member to work for their own family bussiness.

 

[TheEldritchGod]

Did someone say Weapons?

Attached is a comprehensive list of every weapon ever created in D20 3.0/3.5 including shields because you can bash with them, therefore they can be enchanted as weapons. Even if you don't play D&D, it's a nice reference tool for writers if you are looking for weird and wacky weapons.

My personal favorite is the War Spikard, because it's a hammer that has an internalized Spike launcher built into the hammer so when you hit someone, it fires a SPIKE into them. Then you enchant the Spikard to include the reloading property, so it can carry up to 50 spikes that it automatically reloads for you, then you can enchant the hammer as a melee weapon and a missile weapon separately, so if you include the Exit Wound Weapon Special Ability, it can go THROUGH the target and hit anyone behind him up to 50 feet.

If you supersize it so it's two-handed, it can do even MORE damage, so you have this massive hammer that shoots spikes that go through people into the people behind them and through THEM and through THEM leaving a trail of mangled bodies, because nobody says you can't load the hammer with BALLISTA BOLTS.

Poisoned...
Ballista bolts.

So, tell me, when you have the PERFECT WEAPON, why would your family learn any other weapon?

Edit: YES, you can use oversized ammunition, it just involves abusing the shrinking/growth rules for missile weapons.

 

[Lloyd]

I don't have a problem with gamification in novels.

 

[RepresentingEnvy]

I don't really mind. I don't look for realism.

 

[dummycake]

I don't really mind. I don't look for realism.

realism is overrated.

 

[ElijahRyne]

Seen this troupe in a lot of fantasy web novels and comics. Usually has to do with a noble character. It usually goes something along the lines of

‘This is a sword household no son of mine will be using a Warhammer!’

I just find the idea of an entire blood line only dedicated to a single weapon kind of absurd. I feel like if you went to medieval Europe, and said that you were a Knight who only used swords you get laughed at and then have the your shit kicked in. Because not only can every knight use swords they can use pretty much every other weapon as well.

Do you like this troupe? Personally don’t, but it’s never a deal breaker for me, I’d never stop reading something if it included this.

Depends on the context. Is there magic based off of weapons? Does the family only have enough money for one weapon, and has inherited an old sword manual? Is the family head a narcissist? Does noble culture only care about certain weapons, calling the rest peasant tools? If so, for any of these, it makes sense.

 

[Placeholder]

Historically, western knights used warhammers against their opponents in sword-resistant plate mail, skinny daggers to finish them off, plus knew how to use a sword on underarmored opponents, polearm on horseback, and for all I know, were moderately competent with the bow, if not as good as a specialist archer from a troop of the same.

From skimming, similar for samurai, and the bow was the primary weapon for mounted samurai.

And each had support specialist - spearmen, etc.

> Seen this troupe in a lot of fantasy web novels and comics.

There's some powerfully lazy plotting out there. Most of the "I'm a feckless twit who got kicked out of my warband despite my stupid pet trick, now I'm swarmed with boring and under-realized pretty girls who have no intrinsic motivations or interior lives." for example.

I've read a boatload of MTL webnovels.

 

[RepresentingEnvy]

realism is overrated.

I am reading a fantasy novel. Not a History textbook.