Can an earl of country A affect a baron of country B

[NotaNuffian]

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Running on dumbfuck juice for a long while at work now, so I kind of just post this.

Scenario:
MC and gang reached a small town where they stopped a rape of a village girl from happening by the hands of the baron's son. Before the supposed trial of the criminal, MC goes to look for the victim who was adament to testify against the baron's son because she is the only one left in the house (parents died a while ago) and therefore the blackmail from the baron isn't enough to scare her. Cue MC finding her ravaged corpse in the destroyed house and soldiers out of nowhere wanting to arrest him for the charge. Meanwhile at the courthouse, the judge has decreed that the baron's son is innocent and that the gang is the one causing the problem and should be prosecuted instead. While the baron and his son smirk at how things turned out, MC burst into the courtroom and just start killing the guards as he rushes to kill the son. The baron turns out to be just as powerful, if not more than MC as he is capable of stopping MC's rampage and even turning things to a standstill. While the son jeers at the MC, he fails to notice that one of MC's gang has a bow and got shot in the head. Needless to say, the baron is angry and tries to get the guards to kill the MC and gang. Cue deus ex machina with MC having a telephone to call for backup from an earl of a different country.

If there is any way for the earl to butt in, please answer. Because I had tried to use shit like blackmailing to send troops down to wipe the baron's estate out and then bribe him with gold and even the stupid me thinks that it is a stupid idea.

Also, while writing this it reminded me of an old story from China, about the son of an old general going to a rural province for travel.

The general is old, like, 60 to 70 plus and he finally has a son. Then the son got married and the wife got pregnant and they decided to go to the rural province for the festival celebration.

Shit goes south when one of the local gangsters decides to tease the wife and the husband went and beat him up as a lesson. The slightly bruised gangster comes back with his friends and beat him up until he is near death's door. As the man is getting wheeled into A&E, the gangsters rush to stop him from getting any treatment by the doctors over there, even threatening to burn the hospital down. The man then died and his wife ends up having a miscarriage.

The old general, upon hearing this atrocity, tries to get his army to go after the hooligans, but the government stops his actions as it might cause disorder within the provinces. The gangsters are not even caught because of the general lawlessness and they even taunt the general to come into their territory "so that they can teach him what they taught his son". There are also lewd remarks insulting the wife by the gang members just to provoke the old man more.

 

[SailusGebel]

The whole scenario is wrong. And no, there is no way.

 

[Lloyd]

Dude just write something and put it on SH already instead of being on the forum all the time talking about it.

 

[Suryae]

Depends.

If this scenario happens when the concept of nationalism is widespread, the Earl won’t be able to do anything other than some stern words. He could instigate a war, but that may not be workable in his home country.

If there is no concept of nationalism (e.g. Medieval Age, hunter-gatherer societies, etc.), he could just invade the Baron’s land. This still works even if the Earl has the same overlord (e.g. king). Their peers might ostracize the Baron for his inability to defend his demesne, while the king, depending on his treasury and his mood, may or may not let the earl conquer the barony.

 

[NotaNuffian]

Dude just write something and put it on SH already instead of being on the forum all the time talking about it.

I have cold feet.

And the 19 shit chapters are still shit.

 

[LimitBound]

I have cold feet.

And the 19 shit chapters are still shit.

Warm them up.

 

[lnv]

Running on dumbfuck juice for a long while at work now, so I kind of just post this.

Scenario:
MC and gang reached a small town where they stopped a rape of a village girl from happening by the hands of the baron's son. Before the supposed trial of the criminal, MC goes to look for the victim who was adament to testify against the baron's son because she is the only one left in the house (parents died a while ago) and therefore the blackmail from the baron isn't enough to scare her. Cue MC finding her ravaged corpse in the destroyed house and soldiers out of nowhere wanting to arrest him for the charge. Meanwhile at the courthouse, the judge has decreed that the baron's son is innocent and that the gang is the one causing the problem and should be prosecuted instead. While the baron and his son smirk at how things turned out, MC burst into the courtroom and just start killing the guards as he rushes to kill the son. The baron turns out to be just as powerful, if not more than MC as he is capable of stopping MC's rampage and even turning things to a standstill. While the son jeers at the MC, he fails to notice that one of MC's gang has a bow and got shot in the head. Needless to say, the baron is angry and tries to get the guards to kill the MC and gang. Cue deus ex machina with MC having a telephone to call for backup from an earl of a different country.

The fact that this is even getting a trial is already weird. Usually, nobles are above the law of commoners. The only thing that may get them in some trouble is maybe with the king since they are his subjects. But even then it is something they can pay off without tarnishing their name.

If there is any way for the earl to butt in, please answer. Because I had tried to use shit like blackmailing to send troops down to wipe the baron's estate out and then bribe him with gold and even the stupid me thinks that it is a stupid idea.

Well, there are 2 ways for an Earl of another country to but in.
1) Political pressure, or sending a relative in who is a noble of the other country with higher status (nobles cross marry for influence and have plenty of relatives everywhere). Though do note even a noble of higher status can't directly control other nobles unless they are nobles due to being vassals of the higher ranked noble.

That said, the moment the noble son was killed, that goes out the door because regardless of the situation, the MC and his group would be punished. At best, you can escape that if he is an honorary baron, so the son is technically also a commoner.

But sending his troops or people directly as mentioned would start a war.

2) The Earl is an Earl of an empire, and the Baron is part of a country that was conquered by that empire and became a vassal state. But even then the Earl better have good relations with the Emperor (or have other probably clause) cause doing that still isn't good as vassal states pay the empire and empire nobles doing that would discourage other countries.

So if the Earl for example knows the Baron has been hiding tax money (which portion goes to the Empire, he never said anything cause he was planning to use it for blackmailing in the future if needed), then he can technically step in and punish the baron independent of this issue and pretend the whole other thing never happened.

 

[Asami_Shirogane]

That's one way to make the hostilities of each nation boil over and spark a possible war. Nobles, no matter how small, can be used as leverage against foreign adversaries within the higher ranks of the aristocracy. Especially if you're marching troops into a foreign nation.

 

[NonReal]

Depends on their own countries. There are some examples of such situations in Europe's history, though they're usually pretty obscured. For example, if there are substantial diplomatic exchanges between countries then yes, such situations are pretty common. Baron isn't really that important, so if the earl of a friendly nation says something, it's barons duty to agree, as long of course, as he can't give a sufficient reason for sullying national relationships. Death of a firstborn is actually a good reason, but more often than not, he'd be forced to relent anyway, since again baron isn't that important.
Another situation is pretty similar, but it's when earl is from a vastly more powerful country. Said earl himself may not be that influential, but at this rank, he already starts representing the face of his country. As such being denied by a tiny baron, from a tiny nation would actually hurt their national pride.
And lastly is a situation when the royal family, holds a weak position. For example in the polish commonwealth in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, the power was so decentralized that a lot of aristocrats actually conducted their own diplomatic relations with foreign powers and wrote their own treaties separate from the interests of the crown. And those were legitimate.

 

[Kilolo]

uhhh, wait.

there's a court martial law in a monarchy country?

 

[Andrew_Udell]

Realistically, you would be looking at options that aren't that flashy or fun to write about, such as imposing an embargo/trade sanctions or placing political pressures.

Less realistically, but more fun, you could look at subterfuge options that happen occasionally, but not often. For example, hiring a group of bandits to terrorize his land and secretly spreading literature that undermines his authority. Both are less likely to be linked to a noble, but still inflict a real amount of damage.

 

[NotaNuffian]

I am planning to drop the scene for Alex and shove it under James.

Both are my MCs and while Alex is the standard sword wielding, friendship filled JRPG protagonist, James' life should be a piece of shit.

I keep forgetting that.

So I am planning to downplay the whole murder till you drop crap on Alex end and have the noble's son, instead of rape, just a simple harassment and the case does not involve the baron and earl. Because then the shit has hit the fan.