[Discuss] What's the difference between Wizard, Sorcerer, Magician, Magus, etc

Which one do you prefer to use?

  • Magician

    Votes: 4 10.8%
  • Wizard

    Votes: 5 13.5%
  • Sorcerer

    Votes: 6 16.2%
  • Magus

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • Sage

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Warlock

    Votes: 1 2.7%
  • Shaman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • etc (not listed here for some reason)

    Votes: 2 5.4%
  • Mage

    Votes: 16 43.2%

  • Total voters
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found this on redd*t, someone asking what's the general consensus between the term.

what do you guys think?

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i also think he's right, there's no general consensus about these terms in novel, but as for my personal opinion for this matter:

Magician
this one should be self explanatory, derived from the word Magic which means someone that using magic.

Wizard
similar to magician, but these wizard also proficient in alchemy and creating magical device, and also wizard is a male form while the female form of it are called witch.

Sorcerer
a magic user that's using a unique way to perform magical arts, which is magic circle! some people also refer those magic circle as sigil.

Magus
a magician that proficient in ceremonial magic or magic that should be cast together with another magus.

Sage
a pinnacle form of magician, someone who already considered master among magician.

Warlock
a traditional magic kind which using the power of spirit of ancient ancestor or idol (which being worshiped for thousand of years), which is why unlike wizard or sorcerer, warlock aren't the type of someone who's trying to develop a new kind of magic and always stick to the ancient rules.

Shaman
a magic user that performs borrowing the power of spirits or any other kind of astral being (like fairies or such) to achieve miracle/magical arts.

Etc
there's also others like Druid or Necromancer, but unlike the others i think both of them are already having their general consensus (which is druid is a magician specialist in anything that related to a tree, while necromancer are magician that specialize in corpses.)

those are what i think, what about you guys think about these terms? Feel free to refute or contradict me if you like.

also please mentioned if I missed a similar term.
 

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I like the term mage the most, probably because I see it the most.

For me
Magician: Real life magician with sleight of hand
Wizard: Fairy tale stuff
Witch: Evil female wizard + Alchemy
Sorcerer: Magic Circle Stuff
Magus: I agree with you on this one
Sage: What you said + Being really knowledgeable
Warlock: Non elemental magic
Shaman: Agree with you + God stuff
Mage: Typical Fantasy magic. Elements and high dps
 

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yeah, i indeed seeing the term Mage a lot instead of magician, i think I'm gonna add that to the poll
 

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It really depends on the worldbuilding of the story, but:
Sage isn't a term I would use for a peak magic user. Archmage is the term, which also leads to Mage being my best choice.
Magician is way too similar to 'real world' illusionist, so it's sounding no.
I hate the term 'Witch' and use "Wizard' for both males and females.
Sorcerer: d&d is powerful in this one, so unique magic obtained by blood or similar.
Magus: cool and maybe more formal way.
Warlock: purely d&d, never liked it. Well, except from WMW but again, that's not your 'classical' warlock.
Shaman: i prefer druids.

Edit: necromancy is a branch of 'traditional' magic, so a necromancer is still a 'mage' or an 'archmage'. Druids draws their power from nature so it's a completely different concept from 'mages'. D&D heavy influence here, I know.
 
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Well my perspective is heaavily influenced by dnd for sorcs and wizards so sorcs born with blood and wizards learn to use it, mage applies for both, druids are nature clerics

Other than that, magician is a sleigh of hand user, witch is female wizard/sorcerer usually a derogative term (wizardess and sorceress being the non derogative one), witch can also work for a "weird magic" user like the dnd hags, warlock varies a lot but I like the dnd version the most (other uses overlap with warmages), Archmage would be a very accomplished wizard or sorcerer, warmage is a wizard or sorcerer primarly dedicated to combat/war related magic
 

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I think that the term "sorcerer" usually carry a negative connotation in old tales (powerful cold blooded people oblivious to emotions). The terms comes from https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sortilege#English, so you can interpret "sorcerer" as someone who changes fate.

In english, sortilege can be translated as spell, but the term is implicitly tied with the power of words and books (like spelling a forbidden word). While sortilege has originally a wide meaning as it could be just cursing someone with a glare, or making someone fall for you with a wink.

It's very contrasting with a "Shaman" who just gets high to commune with the spirits of the ancestors.

About the chad "warlock", here's a great interpretation based on D&D: They are actually magical girls.

Don't bother with the whole video, just watch the intro lol
 

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found this on redd*t, someone asking what's the general consensus between the term.

what do you guys think?


i also think he's right, there's no general consensus about these terms in novel, but as for my personal opinion for this matter:

Magician
this one should be self explanatory, derived from the word Magic which means someone that using magic.

Wizard
similar to magician, but these wizard also proficient in alchemy and creating magical device, and also wizard is a male form while the female form of it are called witch.

Sorcerer
a magic user that's using a unique way to perform magical arts, which is magic circle! some people also refer those magic circle as sigil.

Magus
a magician that proficient in ceremonial magic or magic that should be cast together with another magus.

Sage
a pinnacle form of magician, someone who already considered master among magician.

Warlock
a traditional magic kind which using the power of spirit of ancient ancestor or idol (which being worshiped for thousand of years), which is why unlike wizard or sorcerer, warlock aren't the type of someone who's trying to develop a new kind of magic and always stick to the ancient rules.

Shaman
a magic user that performs borrowing the power of spirits or any other kind of astral being (like fairies or such) to achieve miracle/magical arts.

Etc
there's also others like Druid or Necromancer, but unlike the others i think both of them are already having their general consensus (which is druid is a magician specialist in anything that related to a tree, while necromancer are magician that specialize in corpses.)

those are what i think, what about you guys think about these terms? Feel free to refute or contradict me if you like.

also please mentioned if I missed a similar term.
A mage is, in my definition, any gender of a person who uses magic.
 

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found this on redd*t, someone asking what's the general consensus between the term.

what do you guys think?


i also think he's right, there's no general consensus about these terms in novel, but as for my personal opinion for this matter:

Magician
this one should be self explanatory, derived from the word Magic which means someone that using magic.

Wizard
similar to magician, but these wizard also proficient in alchemy and creating magical device, and also wizard is a male form while the female form of it are called witch.

Sorcerer
a magic user that's using a unique way to perform magical arts, which is magic circle! some people also refer those magic circle as sigil.

Magus
a magician that proficient in ceremonial magic or magic that should be cast together with another magus.

Sage
a pinnacle form of magician, someone who already considered master among magician.

Warlock
a traditional magic kind which using the power of spirit of ancient ancestor or idol (which being worshiped for thousand of years), which is why unlike wizard or sorcerer, warlock aren't the type of someone who's trying to develop a new kind of magic and always stick to the ancient rules.

Shaman
a magic user that performs borrowing the power of spirits or any other kind of astral being (like fairies or such) to achieve miracle/magical arts.

Etc
there's also others like Druid or Necromancer, but unlike the others i think both of them are already having their general consensus (which is druid is a magician specialist in anything that related to a tree, while necromancer are magician that specialize in corpses.)

those are what i think, what about you guys think about these terms? Feel free to refute or contradict me if you like.

also please mentioned if I missed a similar term.
Wow. Ok, this is just your subjective view of course, but just stating it is not particularly helpful to anyone other than to get them thinking.

Really, they all describe the same thing. However, you did make one objective error there. A witch is the female counterpart of a Warlock, not a Wizard. This is straight out of Wicca. The name of a Wiccan female priest is a Witch, and the name of a Wiccan male priest is a Warlock. So, that one is just objective fact.

Now then, there is an actual objective way to evaluate the roles of each of these titles in a manner useful to story telling. That method, as strange as it may seem, is to observe and collect the subjective views from broad swaths of fictional literature and public opinion. An aggragate of the subjective does, in fact, become objective data in a large enough grouping.

Adding in historical uses aids the process quite a bit as well.

Now then, in the spirit of this effort.

Magician
Your evaluation of this one was actually pretty solid. It simply refers to a practitioner of magic.

In fiction, this term is rarely ever seen. However, in the few cases it is seen, it is usually preceded by the words "royal court" as in "the royal court magician." It is usually the formal generalized term for a user of magic, mage being the vulgar equivalent. (vulgar in it's original context, as in speech that is the common tongue of the people and frowned upon by the nobility.) In other words, "Magician" is the noble word for a generalized practitioner of any form of magic.

In real life, Magician is a title that was once used by stage magic performers and was really popular in the 80s and 90s. So, it has a strong association with fake magic in the real world.

Wizard
Your evaluation was not even close on this one.

In fiction, Wizard is more or less an equivalent term to Magician that was popularly used out of English lore. Merlin would be a fairly well known fictional figure that was referred to as a Wizard, and thus it was carried down through any fictional lore inspired by English fiction such as Lord of the Rings. (Gandalf was another user of magic referred to as a Wizard.) Of course, this would also be why Harry Potter, who's character was written by a British woman, was also called a Wizard.

In real life, the term "wizard" is occasionally used to refer to someone who is extremely skilled at a single-player type game, especially one from the first 2 generations of console gaming.

Sorcerer
How do you keep getting these so far off from the rest of the world?

Sorcerer is the term for a user of magic that originates from the French tradition, and is more associated with the summoning of evil spirits. Marvel's Dr. Strange, who is known as the "Sorcerer Supreme," largely disagrees with the majority of sorcerer lore. He was given the title more for the alliteration, but his methods have nothing to do with the traditional lore on the subject.

Dungeons and Dragons has gained a rather strong influence on the lore surrounding sorcery of late though, however it's still not that far off from it's origins in the French tradition. DnD sorcerers are magic users who have some form of bloodline that gives them special magic abilities, allowing them to more easily access magic than traditional magic users. The point where this aligns with the French tradition is that sorcerers were believed to be of a demonic bloodline. DnD merely expanded the potential bloodline origins to include more than just demons. The DnD view is fairly popular nowadays and the one that is likely the most appropriate to use if you want to make a sorcerer in your world distinctly different from other users of magic.

Due to the association with evil in French lore, most mentions of sorcerers before the 2000s usually preceded the term with "evil" as in "evil sorcerer." So, there is a strong negative connotation with sorcery, but DnD has been largely clearing up that association.

Magus
Nope, nope, nope.

Magus originates from the term Magi, which was the title of a Zoroastrian priest. In the biblical story of Jesus' birth, it was three Magi who journeyed to find him and gave him Frankensense, Gold, and Myr.

In fiction, the term "Magus" is used to refer to a user of magic who is to be highly respected and revered in a manner similar to the priestly origin of the term. The high degree of reverence a Magus is given is such that it feels more traditional and toward the position the Magus holds within the culture rather than having anything to do with the Magus having accomplished something worthy of the high degree of respect and reverence he is given.

In other words, a magus is a user of magic who also fills a pseudo religious leader-like role. The magus' magic would be derived from himself and have nothing to do with any form of god, and a magus is generally not portrayed as worshiping a god. However, everyone who interacts with a magus will act the same way around him as they might act around a priest.

Sage
Ok, this one is at least sorta on track now.

Sage is a title that historically and in litterature actually did not apply to a user of magic at all. Sages were perfectly non-magical people in the real world. However, they were still considered great masters and teachers and wise men. The title of "sage" is essentially an old-world title that means roughly the same thing as "professor" does to the modern English speaker.

The term began to take on a somewhat more mystical term in the old world when it became associated with Eastern Mysticism in the form of the meditative practices of the Bhudist and Hindu faith. This association mostly came from fiction rather than these cultures themselves associating the two. Whenever a work of English-language fiction would present a master of some form of meditative art dating back to the early to mid 1900s, that master would often be called a "sage."

This association between sages and mysticism finally solidified into some form of magic user when the Final Fantasy series came up with Job classes for FFIII, and sage was one of the magic user jobs. Later, in FFIV, old man Tellah was also called a sage. Thus, the association between the term "sage" and "highest level of magic" became set and carried forward in works of fiction since then.

Witch/Warlock
As I covered above, Witches and Warlocks are respectively the titles for a female and male priest of the Wiccan faith.

Wicca was derided as a pagan religion by the Roman Christians who sought to convert them. However, Wicca was one of the faiths that Christianity approached with honey rather than vinegar, adopting a lot of their holy days and simply re-purposing them into Christian lore. (Such as making Christmas 4 days after the Winter Festival when by all rights it ought to have been somewhere in April.)

The manner in which Christianity approached Wicca is the only reason why the terms "Witch" and "Warlock" are still around rather than having been completely erased from history as was the case with most other pagan religions.

Wicca was a practice of the natives of what is England today. As such, in some tellings of the King Arther story, Merlin was a Warlock instead of a Wizard. These portrayals of Merlin as a Warlock also state he had demon blood, thus demonstrating the particularly negative view Christian influenced fiction has for Witches and Warlocks.

Even DnD makes the view of Witches and Warlocks rather negative, although they generally treat Witches and Warlocks as 2 separate entities. However, they are rather similar in how they are treated. In both cases, they make some form of contract with an otherworldly power, reminiscent of the original Christian-influenced corruption of the lore that states Witches and Warlocks make a contract with the devil in order to gain their powers.

Shaman
Shaman is the title that early scholars of generalized religion used to refer to tribal mystics. The medicine men or users of mysticism that held a special place for many tribal peoples. The existence of such a person was in a tribe caused these religious scholars to refer to them as practitioners of shamanism.

Fiction largely sticks to this association between shamans and tribal magic, often depicting a shaman as the mystic of some cannibalistic tribe and wearing necklaces decorated with skulls. This association between tribal magic and cannibalisms is the reason why the 2nd popular portrayal of a shaman in fictional literature has them as some form of evil necromancer, usually very powerful and threatening.

Knowing the true origins of the term, the depictions in the above paragraph that are very popular can also be seen as culturally insensitive. A more honest to real life portrayal of a shaman would have them with a position and treatment within their tribe that is similar to a magus in a more "cultured" group.

Etc

So, yeah, contrary to your assessment, there actually is quite a bit of consensus in the roles of these types of magic users. The broad swaths of fiction mostly conform to the depictions I outlined above, and failing to conform to these will place you outside the norm. I will grant that these titles have had a little more confusion about them and need more research than things like "Druid," but most of fiction does still largely use them in the ways I just outlined.
 
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I've yet to see (or maybe I have just missed from skimming this thread) "caster"
 

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Wrong

Sorcerer
They're usually people with so much power, they can affect the world. They are most often descended from other creatures, such as dryads, gods, dragons, monsters and so on. This allows them to wield their ancestors powers as if they're their own ancestors! Now imagine doing your own ancestors!

Wizard
Wizards are your typical mages. Powerful, staff-wielding magic users capable of bending the elements to their will. They're usually smart, very smart, and they rub it in your face every other day if they're trying to be nice. Normally, they'd rub their smartness in your face at least four times a day. Which is why they're usually loners, because nobody can handle that kind of harassment. So if you're a wizard, be prepared to live a very, very lonely life.

Warlock
Warlocks are like wizards... suffice to say, they are mages, who want nothing to do with being a mage. They will learn swords, and axes, or even bow and arrows despite being a mage because they really don't want to be a mage. So as a warlock, you can count on being a swordsman who fights primarily with magics, because you won't count as a mage if you hold a sword.
 

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found this on redd*t, someone asking what's the general consensus between the term.

what do you guys think?


i also think he's right, there's no general consensus about these terms in novel, but as for my personal opinion for this matter:

Magician
this one should be self explanatory, derived from the word Magic which means someone that using magic.

Wizard
similar to magician, but these wizard also proficient in alchemy and creating magical device, and also wizard is a male form while the female form of it are called witch.

Sorcerer
a magic user that's using a unique way to perform magical arts, which is magic circle! some people also refer those magic circle as sigil.

Magus
a magician that proficient in ceremonial magic or magic that should be cast together with another magus.

Sage
a pinnacle form of magician, someone who already considered master among magician.

Warlock
a traditional magic kind which using the power of spirit of ancient ancestor or idol (which being worshiped for thousand of years), which is why unlike wizard or sorcerer, warlock aren't the type of someone who's trying to develop a new kind of magic and always stick to the ancient rules.

Shaman
a magic user that performs borrowing the power of spirits or any other kind of astral being (like fairies or such) to achieve miracle/magical arts.

Etc
there's also others like Druid or Necromancer, but unlike the others i think both of them are already having their general consensus (which is druid is a magician specialist in anything that related to a tree, while necromancer are magician that specialize in corpses.)

those are what i think, what about you guys think about these terms? Feel free to refute or contradict me if you like.

also please mentioned if I missed a similar term.
Magician: a general magic user, chants needed to preform spells.

wizard/witch: similar to magicians besides the fact they have more versatile magic in addition to unique sub classes.

sorcerer: sorceress are unique because they have special abilities that require less mana but more complex studies are needed to master them(a sorcerer can cast magic to obliterate an army with only using 5% of their mana but it takes at least 20 years to master a spell).

Magnus: A surface level wizard that is proficient in physical combat as well as artifacts.

Sage: any class of magicians that has mastered or perfected a high class magical system.

warlocks: A subclass of wizards that specializes in Destructive spells with the use of dark magic to create artifacts that boost overall power.

Shaman: A magic user that specializes in primitive or old world spells (high mana cost low power output, much easier to learn even the most non magical people can figure it out.)

Etc.
subclasses that divulge from the overall status quo of a class of magic user and create an entirely unique subclass.
 

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For me, a mage is a mana user in general.
Magus is an old language that means mage, I prefer to use magus as a title.
Shaman is related to spiritual magic.
Warlock means oathbreaker. They're mages who break their kingdom/empire/magic society/etc oath (or breaking tradition). It doesn't relate to what spell they use.
Sorcerer is born with innate magic ability. (Whatever it's a bloodline or RNGsus.)
Magical Girl is a descendant of demons.

The rests depend on the setting of the world.
 
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The most important thing, I think, is to be internally clear and consistent with your definitions. While there are certain conventions in naming, there are enough authors who ignore these conventions that I'm always left wondering until more information filters in through the plot.

I currently have two stories in development with entirely different systems of magic-user terminology...

1) The first is a LitRPG story where the various magic-using characters have descriptive classes that indicate both their area of specialization and their level of power. For instance, I've got a(n)...
Mage - a beginning magic-user just starting to learn spells
Elementalist - an early-level magic-user who specializes in magic using the elements (ice, fire, wind, etc.).
Firebug - an early-level magic-user who specializes in fire magic, as well as using mischief and evasion.
Pathfinder - a highish-level ritual magic-user who specializes in tracking and locating people/objects.
War Magus - a high-level magic-user who specializes in offensive and tactical magic.

Here, for all but the most basic class, I've opted to use less-common, compound, or co-opted terminology to give readers additional information without having to guess about my naming system. So if I add another character and mention that they are of the ~Visionary~ magic class, you can probably guess that they use prediction, scrying, and scouting magic. If I mention that somebody is a ~Ritualist~, you can guess that they use ritual magic and that they are relatively low-level since the class name is fairly generic.

2) The second story is a fantasy "magic academy" type story where the name indicates rank or level of mastery...
Initiate - a beginning student of magic who shows potential but knows few if any spells.
Novice - a student still learning the basics of magic, but who has some magical capability.
Apprentice - an advanced student, usually under the apprenticeship of a higher-ranked magic-user.
Adept - a graduate of a magic academy who demonstrates at least a basic proficiency in all schools of magic.
Magus - a magic-user of considerable power and esteem, usually one with an official position in government, for an rich patron, in an academy, or within a large corporation.
Grand Magus - a more senior and powerful rank of magus, usually one with several magi and adepts working below them, generally the head of a department, school, or branch of magic-users.
Arch Magus - the most exalted rank of magic-users, indicating incredible power and/or responsibility and world-wide renown.

So here, I've opted for a two-pronged approach - three starting ranks that indicate the advancement of students in training and four subsequent ranks indicating the power and authority of the magic-user. Notably, I've tried to come up with a system that's pretty intuitive once you hear a few of the ranks (so I don't have to keep reminding readers who's ahead of whom). But, of course, I also explicitly note the ranks of magic-user early on in the story and occasionally have people remark upon the hierarchy to provide reminders.

I think that this last sentence is an important bit. You want to respect your readers and not spell things out in too dry and pedantic a manner, but you also want to occasionally drop clues and comments to remind people what the different terms for magic-users mean in your story. Why? Well... for one, they're probably reading other stories in the same genre, as well, and you don't want to confuse people. And secondly, if they come back to your story after a month or two away, it's good to have some gentle reminders to get them back into the flow of things. It's especially important to remind people what your titles mean if you're using the terms in an idiosyncratic way.

Of course, your mileage may vary. Consider perhaps the most famous modern YA fantasy series, Harry Potter, which prominently features the Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. Here, "wizard"/"wizardry" refers to exactly the sort of Merlin-type shenanigans you might expect, but "witch"/"witchcraft" doesn't at all resemble the mystical, coven-centric Wiccan notion of a witch. But it doesn't really matter for the story, since there aren't that many classes of magic-user and, when there are distinctions, Rowling usually gives them a unique name (e.g. mudbloods, parseltongues, death-eaters).
 

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found this on redd*t, someone asking what's the general consensus between the term.

what do you guys think?


i also think he's right, there's no general consensus about these terms in novel, but as for my personal opinion for this matter:

Magician
this one should be self explanatory, derived from the word Magic which means someone that using magic.

Wizard
similar to magician, but these wizard also proficient in alchemy and creating magical device, and also wizard is a male form while the female form of it are called witch.

Sorcerer
a magic user that's using a unique way to perform magical arts, which is magic circle! some people also refer those magic circle as sigil.

Magus
a magician that proficient in ceremonial magic or magic that should be cast together with another magus.

Sage
a pinnacle form of magician, someone who already considered master among magician.

Warlock
a traditional magic kind which using the power of spirit of ancient ancestor or idol (which being worshiped for thousand of years), which is why unlike wizard or sorcerer, warlock aren't the type of someone who's trying to develop a new kind of magic and always stick to the ancient rules.

Shaman
a magic user that performs borrowing the power of spirits or any other kind of astral being (like fairies or such) to achieve miracle/magical arts.

Etc
there's also others like Druid or Necromancer, but unlike the others i think both of them are already having their general consensus (which is druid is a magician specialist in anything that related to a tree, while necromancer are magician that specialize in corpses.)

those are what i think, what about you guys think about these terms? Feel free to refute or contradict me if you like.

also please mentioned if I missed a similar term.
Merlin is a warlock, but he has the same abilities as a sorcerer because he is rumoured to be fae folk. Look into celtic mythology and the fae kind.
 

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Wizard - If you hold onto your virginity until you're 30 years of age, you are bestowed this title and become endowed with the magical abilities that come with it. :blobtaco::blobtaco:
 

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Wizard - If you hold onto your virginity until you're 30 years of age, you are bestowed this title and become endowed with the magical abilities that come with it. :blobtaco::blobtaco:
i'm surprised it took long enough to wait for anyone who actually say this 😂
 
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Magician - More of a trickster/illusionist. Not really using magic as in the real sense of the word but using tricks to captivate your attention and deceive you.

Mage - Real-magic user in the broadest meaning.

Wizard - Real-magic user. One that specializes in using wands or staffs as a medium to cast their magic. Mostly related to incantations as well. They are good at elemental magic.

Sorcerer - Real-magic user. One that specializes in concoctions/decoctions/infusions and written magic, using sigils and runes.

Magus/Sage - Real-magic users. The terms have an element of sacrecy and respect. They both specialize in holy and nature-related spells. Magus feels like someone related to pagan religion and nature, while Sage to a traditional religious belief.

Warlock/Witch - Real-magic users. They specialize in curses and summoning evil creatures to do their bidding. They may use life sacrifices and blood as a medium.

Shaman - Real-magic user. One that specializes in ritualistic magic, mostly related to curses and spirits. They use totems, animal bones, animal blood, etc as a medium. They can use spiritual dances and songs as well.

Druid - Real-magic user. One that specializes in nature-related spells.
 
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