Genderbender that is not yuri or GL

Pontan

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I just assumed because no one actually cares. I know I don't and I doubt there are significant numbers of people who do. I mean, who writes a fictional story just to be political and/or discuss irrelevant social issues...you know, besides that asshat who writes "He Who Fights With Monsters". Can't remember his name. Just know that he's Australian...I think?
Actually, I, a random stranger was thinking of writing comedic short stories under the name of "Pet Taliban" Where you have a cute little Chibi Taliban doing various antics, wherein the punchline is your little pet taliban doing something ridiculous and horrible like Pushing your bestie off a roof because he bro hugged you, putting your girlfriend in a collar and strapping a blanket on her covering her face, or shooting up your Tv, playstation and football collection screaming "HERESY!" or something... Uhh... What... Do you all think? Not that I will write it, but it is an interesting concept, is it not?
 

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Im fine with both gb x male and no romance at all

also really looking for a gb where basically a cis guy suddenly turns into a girl, and how he deals with it( i would expect alot of gender dysphoria)
This is not really my realm of expertise, but one of my followers had me read some of her story once. Might be what you're looking for.

 

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Here is just my opinion about the whole thing. I personally really dislike mixing gender bender with gender dysphoria. The thing is, I like it more as a kind of escapist thing, and using it lightheartedly and as a fun and interesting thing and with some minor things about what it implies, skipping over the dark psychological aspects, just like manga tend to do. You can see how I used it in my written story "Orbs of darkness." Gender dysphoria makes too dark and deep of a character struggle, along with being in the transexual niche. I have nothing to do with that stuff personally so it does not appeal to me neither, like how old ladies often have no interest whatsoever in video games.
 

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:blob_melt: Your words warm my heart, but it is a sad fact of life and economics that authors rarely write what they want. That privilege is reserved to selected few. Most (successful) online novel authors write what pays and what generates profits. They couldn't care less about quality or the readers. In fact, finishing a novel is not profitable. Better a quick bump and comet like rise to cash out ala George Martin style.

They write what pays bills. Or are you seriously thinking there are so many ardent believers of smut out there? They offer what the audience wants. The sooner you learn that, the better.
This, sadly, is the truth for many of us. I wish we authors were different. Though I know some of us are. Yet those suffer because we aren't pumping out what the trend is going for. I personally don't care if I get 10 readers in my stories, I will never write for the trend. As long as one enjoys it and finds it as an escape, I accomplished my goal.

Though! I write smut in my stories. I love the genre, but it isn't the full focus of my stories. With that said, on the defense of us ardent believers of smut. Most of us are perverts in our nature! Well, I know I am. I got to love my steamy hot-blooded romance-filled plots.~:blob_aww:

But even being a smut lover and writer, I have seen some stories where this lack. You can tell who writes the smut for the fun of it and those who do it to milk it. It reflects on the quality of the story. I mean, why can't we write a good ass plot to go with the sex? I don't know... My brain doesn't work like that.:sweating_profusely:

Like, write whatever you want smut, heck NTR (this turns me off, but I will put it here), harems (another tag I avoid), and other controversial stuff. I mean anything goes, but at least make the story plot good! :blob_aww:
 

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You people are getting paid?
The big fishes are, indirectly. Through participation, patreon, clicks on websites, publication, deals with hosts, etc. Obviously to get there, you need success, views, clicks. Choosing certain tags helps undeniably with generating traffic.
 
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I just assumed because no one actually cares. I know I don't and I doubt there are significant numbers of people who do. I mean, who writes a fictional story just to be political and/or discuss irrelevant social issues...you know, besides that asshat who writes "He Who Fights With Monsters". Can't remember his name. Just know that he's Australian...I think?
I though I'm the only who didn't like the series, because the beginning was good before he meet the goddess
 

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I though I'm the only who didn't like the series, because the beginning was good before he meet the goddess
I stopped reading around chapter 100 or so when it was going down the "socialism is great, all hail communism for being the based way" path and then suddenly everyone was agreeing with him followed by nearly entire chapters of moral-dilemma based monologues and social commentaries. I mean...what? It's fiction. Not a Political Science essay. Do one or the other. Not both. Different audiences bud.

I haven't read it, but there's a later arc where he returns to Earth and apparently, everyone in Australia is just a parroting bird repeating the same shit all the time, but in their everyday lives. Apparently, even his little sister had a dialogue rant about "muh socialism". Like...its fiction. So why?
 

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I kinda find it sad that the basic essence of genderbender, which would be the actual dealing with the subject, with all the problems, implications, and personal conflicts it brings.
Instead, it became some sort of escapism as some mentioned, or simple tag bait for clicks. Sometimes it's also specially because the author believes it would be easier to write someone with a male mind, which I believe is a concerning wall against using the other gender (even if men and women aren't so different to write in my opinion)

The tag often just doesn't give much to the story and it leaves the question why not simply using a female protagonist.

The problem I see with the additional transgender tag is that those often tend to be a wish-fulfillment where the author goes for euphoria instead of dysphoria. It's just personally that I don't like them, but it leaves cis-protagonists out (which I prefer as they represent a group I can better relate to) and almost makes it impossible to find those. Sometimes it even feels like a tiny bit of hate for the former (often male) gender mixes in the elation.
One of the reasons why I for example can't read "Ryn of Avonside" as, even if I'd like the rest, is that it's pure celebration of not being male.
 

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I kinda find it sad that the basic essence of genderbender, which would be the actual dealing with the subject, with all the problems, implications, and personal conflicts it brings.
Instead, it became some sort of escapism as some mentioned, or simple tag bait for clicks. Sometimes it's also specially because the author believes it would be easier to write someone with a male mind, which I believe is a concerning wall against using the other gender (even if men and women aren't so different to write in my opinion)

The tag often just doesn't give much to the story and it leaves the question why not simply using a female protagonist.

The problem I see with the additional transgender tag is that those often tend to be a wish-fulfillment where the author goes for euphoria instead of dysphoria. It's just personally that I don't like them, but it leaves cis-protagonists out (which I prefer as they represent a group I can better relate to) and almost makes it impossible to find those. Sometimes it even feels like a tiny bit of hate for the former (often male) gender mixes in the elation.
One of the reasons why I for example can't read "Ryn of Avonside" as, even if I'd like the rest, is that it's pure celebration of not being male.
I still feel weird being in this thread xD

Yes, I think that's an in analysis of what's going on. Writing the opposite gender intimidates a lot of writers. I think that many people get afraid about "how do I write all the small details" and feel like the deeper stuff in the character will be just as difficult.

I do think that, being human, people, not just across gender, but across lines of race, religion, nationality, have the same feelings in them.

A boy and a girl will both feel the same trauma on a fundamental level from losing a loved one. The real difference comes in that individual's personality.

Maybe the girl hardens, trying to take it more toughly, because losing her single mother requires her to take care of younger siblings.

A boy could have clinical depression, and losing a grandfather, someone who cared about his dreams more than his parents, might cause him to be in greater grief.


I think it really is the details of what the diverging experience of men and women are that dissuades people from writing characters opposite them in gender.

It seems trivial, but having to pause to think about what a girl's morning routine would be seriously interrupts the flow of writing for me.

The difficult truth is that this is likely helped greatly by having IRL people of the opposite gender to talk to and ask for little suggestions for details.

But of course, this is all conjecture. Women are an elusive species and all past attempts of mine to communicate with them have not resulted in any meaningful data.
 

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The sexism that ran rampant through the medieval time periods these stories so often use?
Ive read like 3 of these type of stories o.o there is more isekai GB than there is medieval xD
Ive also just started reading Ryn of Avonside, its okay I dont know how the GL will be but hopefully it doesnt take over the story. Im also expecting from this because of the transgender subtag :blob_hmm:
 
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I mean he wasnt saying authors SHOULD forgo these things. He just wanted some recs.

Which to be honest, what he wants is kinda rare and that's weird. Everyone who writes about genderbender stuff always makes it yuri or BL, sometimes BI, and usually it gets weird with like futa cocks and all that.

Like where is the "oh my God I'm bleeding from my private!" Shit a guy would freak out over? Where's the "damn these menstrual cramps! Women have to go through this every month?!"

The back pain from having huge mommy milkers? The sexism that ran rampant through the medieval time periods these stories so often use?

None of this shit is ever addressed.
Fake news; https://www.scribblehub.com/series/209270/by-the-power-of-cute-i-turned-the-hero-into-my-simp/
 

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It's easy clicks from motherfuckers that are so thirsty they'll die from dehydration faster than a Twitter user in the Sahara Desert. Just try to find genderbender that doesn't have the genre Boys Love or Girls Love.
 

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if nuf works, how about Owari no Chronicle?
 
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