NTR knee jerk

Deeprotsorcerer

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again it's not conscious. it just happens. and I've never played fire emblem. turn based jrpgs are the epitome of boring. I said it

That's fair (on both points, some people just don't like turn based jrpgs or ntr). I just don't see it being as unhealthy as one would think without some other elements that would probably make fiction in general unhealthy for said individuals to consume.


Hey, please don't compare me to the people spreading their anti-NTR religion like that.

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I just don't see it being as unhealthy as one would think without some other elements that would probably make fiction in general unhealthy for said individuals to consume.
that's personal bias and mainly for it as a fetish. it fucks with your subconscious. though, thinking about it now that's true for most fetishes
 

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that's personal bias and mainly for it as a fetish. it fucks with your subconscious. though, thinking about it now that's true for most fetishes
Does playing violent video games fuck with your subconscious? Several studies would say that, for most people, it doesn't.

Which fetishes are exempt from fucking with your subconscious if it's only most fetishes? When can we justify what happens in media as "it's just a book/drawing/show?" At what point does something on our screen become horrible/bankrupt enough to damage anyone's psyche regardless of how seriously they engage with the work?

There's being against a narrative supporting something outright and beyond the original scope of the work (in ntr's case, it would be presenting the idea that your SO is vulnerable (and highly likely) to being mentally destroyed by an interloper's phallus with additional dialogue on what kind of dong (or even if it is a dong) being optional). In such a case, sure, the ntr would be immersion breaking in general because you're now engaging the work as a piece of commentary rather than entertainment where it presented itself as the latter. But if the work doesn't cross that line and sets itself up in a manner that the ntr doesn't break narrative consistency, I don't see it.
 
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Does playing violent video games fuck with your subconscious? Several studies would say that, for most people, it doesn't.

Which fetishes are exempt from fucking with your subconscious if it's only most fetishes? When can we justify what happens in media as "it's just a book/drawing/show?" At what point does something on our screen become horrible/bankrupt enough to damage anyone's psyche regardless of how seriously they engage with the work?

There's being against a narrative supporting something outright and beyond the original scope of the work (in ntr's case, it would be presenting the idea that your SO is vulnerable (and highly likely) to being mentally destroyed by an interloper's phallus with additional dialogue on what kind of dong (or even if it is a dong) being optional). In such a case, sure, the ntr would be immersion breaking in general because you're now engaging the work as a piece of commentary rather than entertainment where it presented itself as the latter. But if the work doesn't cross that line and sets itself up in a manner that the ntr doesn't break narrative consistency, I don't see it.
This has to be the longest discussion about whether a real Mr. Steal-Yo-Girl with the biggus dickus exists or not in real life. I gotta say, I'm gonna remember reading all of this for a while.
 
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Does playing violent video games fuck with your subconscious? Several studies would say that, for most people, it doesn't.
they 100% do. I know it firsthand. years of playing league have turned my brain into mush. im still dealing with the aftermath even now
 

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they 100% do. I know it firsthand. years of playing league have turned my brain into mush. im still dealing with the aftermath even now
Not sure how to respond to this. If you played for an excessive amount of time and developed psychological afflictions related to gaming addiction that's one thing, people can be addicted to porn, or food, or smelling their own farts through constant repetition, but that's different than claiming that something will corrode your morals/sanity through more moderate degrees of exposure.

There are people who are predisposed to being addicted faster or to suffering harsher symptoms when addicted, but that falls under the catagory of "people who shouldn't consume media in general" at least not without certain safety precautions being taken.
 
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Not sure how to respond to this. If you played for an excessive amount of time and developed psychological afflictions related to gaming addiction that's one thing, people can be addicted to porn, or food, or smelling their own farts through constant repetition, but that's different than claiming that something will corrode your morals/sanity through more moderate degrees of exposure.

There are people who are predisposed to being addicted faster or to suffering harsher symptoms when addicted, but that falls under the catagory of "people who shouldn't consume media in general" at least, not without certain safety precautions being taken.
its a certain condition caused mainly by mobas. you become a cynical unfeeling shell of yourself, lose joy in most things, develop an incurable addiction, and gain an unconditional hatred for a certain group of people depending on your region. thankfully, i have it pretty mild - i stopped at the right time.
 

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prolonged discussion that doesn't need any extra input but my take on the subject is as such: it's natural that people would have a knee jerk reaction to NTR. we almost always forget cheating and cuckery is a niche thing, much like latex or inflation or whatever genre you might find if you wallow in the filth for long enough.

problem about NTR is with its presentation. rather, it's lack of any special presentation. see, with pissplay or scat or any other niche fetish, there's always something visual that deters the uninitiated. you see a chick pissing in some guy's mouth, you just walk away. it's easy. for NTR, not so much. on the surface level, it's about the same as regular vanilla hentai. a chick gets fucked by either one or multiple dudes. and since hentai is a visual medium, people won't suspect a thing since the initial visual deterrence isn't there. they just dive into the trap head first without any caution. this isn't a detriment to the genre, but an inherent risk it carries.

and before you mention tags, need i remind you that the general audience in hentai consumption, or any media consumption, more often than not, don't read the damn tags. which is why sometimes you see some guy complain about gay stuff happening in a harem webnovel DESPITE BL being in the tags in the first place, or some shitting on an author for making the MC a "weak beta male" despite that giant bold [Weak to Strong] title on the start. with that in mind, it's not unfair to assume most people see the big tiddy married milf on the cover and go in there blind without even giving a glance at the giant Cheating warning hanging over the front door.

as a result, common readers get enticed expecting a fun-loving sexy time only to walk away with a confused, frustrated boner. i mean, they walk in relating with the protagonist/male character and find said character, and by extension themselves, get cucked by Chad McThunderCock. only THEN do they noticed the NTR tag. now, if most NTR start with the perspective of the Ugly Bastard themselves, the reaction wouldn't be as widespread. the cheating is still there, but this time, the reader themselves are doing the cheating, cutting the bad taste in half. BUT, that's not what NTR is for. NTR is for lads who get the stiffy when they see their trad wife get railed by Jamal from next door while he peeps from the closet yanking his microdick.

as a result, NTR becomes this knee-jerk bad no-no thing in the general consciousness. is it stupid? yes. you walked into the NTR hentai, why are you getting mad AT the hentai? go learn how to blacklist tags. still, the general public is what the general public is; a fickle.

it is what it is, sadly.
 

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Did what I write come off as a personal attack? That wasn't my intent :blob_no:.
I get the frustration and share it in a few aspects, but while hard statements are good fuel for discussion, I think convincing (read poison) should be sweet and gradual, rather than sharp and overwhelming
 

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There are people who are predisposed to being addicted faster or to suffering harsher symptoms when addicted, but that falls under the catagory of "people who shouldn't consume media in general" at least, not without certain safety precautions being taken.
Something like video game addiction seems to be more like the symptom of an underlying problem rather than the problem itself.
And I'm not even surprised given how psychological problems are still often dismissed and/or stigmatized and how bullying is often overlooked or outright dismissed (both for children and maybe even more so for adults).

now, if most NTR start with the perspective of the Ugly Bastard themselves, the reaction wouldn't be as widespread. the cheating is still there, but this time, the reader themselves are doing the cheating, cutting the bad taste in half. BUT, that's not what NTR is for. NTR is for lads who get the stiffy when they see their trad wife get railed by Jamal from next door while he peeps from the closet yanking his microdick.
That's its own tag though, or rather both are:
NTR from the perspective of the 'perpetrator': Netori
NTR from the perspective of the 'victim', but they are into it and may even instigate it: Netorase

I don't think I've seen many perspective shifts in hentai.
 

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As long as the NTR doesn't have a FAT BASTARD why not? I mean... I've been traumatized with the amount of FAT BASTARD in existence! Everytime I close my eyes I can see that FAT BASTARD tag.

P.S. I don't hate fat people it's just there's too many Fat BASTARD in... R18
 

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The higher the anime profile picture to user ratio in a given community, the more fucked up shit is on the loose, but nothing elicits as much response as those three letters.
I regularly come across people who seem to have a bone deep hatred towards even the existence of anything NTR related.

I don't mean for this to advocate the genre.
Most of what goes as NTR is bad at being NTR, similar to how many amateur attempts at action plots end up ruined because the path to victory (or in this case breakdown) is too rushed to make me care.
And even if it's well done, it's outside my tastes.

But neither can I relate to this almost traumatized violent struggle at mere glance of it.

So is it all just a joke that everyone plays along with, like the "That's x from Fortnite! *starts chainsaw*" thing?

Or what does it mean to you?
That first line is so true!
 
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