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I was looking through NUF and found someone looking for naval battle recommendations.

It then got me thinking,(Since I was planning a naval battle in the future for my series).

How do I write a naval battle scene?! So write away guys. Just thought I ask to see how y'all write naval battles. It can be either medieval, stone age or even in space or some weird F*** up dimension where direction doesn't exist.
 
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Kancolle / Azur Lane yuri action comes to mind.

Or it can be the shipgirls in school swimsuits fooling around.
 

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I don't really have the neurons to write right now but I can help out a little with research. One of them is the Siege of Diu (1538) and the naval campaigns of Hayreddin Barbarossa. Both were won with tactics or technological advantages during the Early Modern era. For modern naval battles, I'd have to say Midway.
 

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I don't really have the neurons to write right now but I can help out a little with research. One of them is the Siege of Diu (1538) and the naval campaigns of Hayreddin Barbarossa. Both were won with tactics or technological advantages during the Early Modern era. For modern naval battles, I'd have to say Midway.
Hmm, never heard of the Siege of Diu(I'll check it out) but Midway is definitely my inspiration for Naval-air warfare.
 

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Depends on the circumstances, because I need more information, significantly more information. What kind of technology and industrial are we talking about? Pre or post ironclad? Pré or post dreadnaughts? Which nations are involved, because naval doctrine can differ? Where are we fighting? Shallow sea, rough sea, deep océan, sand banks anywhere?

Otherwise, how effective is the use of magic and aerial units? Long range or short range gunnery? Do we have submariner or mines. Etc., etc.

Btw, dont take midway as an example of carrier effectiveness, which are severly overrated by most writers. Midway were lucky hits against faulty Japanese carrier designs. The battle of the Phillipine sea is better and Leyte too.
 

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A bad example aka how i, someone who skips fighting scenes, see battles:
Mobs praising Protagonist's strategy while rushing to the battle.
Enemy Mobs says something along the line of "Of course we will win, look at those guys lol"
Things go boom!
Enemy Mob report to their boss that things go boom.
Shock! Disbelief! How could that be? A damage by Protagonist team?
Unacceptable! Retaliate!
Enemy do something outside of Protagonist initial plan.
Oh no, whatever. Protagonist make a NEW Plan on the spot / Mob OP take care of it.
Maybe someone dies, it depends
Some aspiring words from Protagonist side.
Time skip
Brief summary telling reader Protagonist won
Mob goes: aaah Protagonist is so amazing UwU
Enemy mob goes: Regret! Humiliation! Fear! How did Protagonist win?! Why did we fight them?
Fighting arc end
 

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Depends on the circumstances, because I need more information, significantly more information. What kind of technology and industrial are we talking about? Pre or post ironclad? Pré or post dreadnaughts? Which nations are involved, because naval doctrine can differ? Where are we fighting? Shallow sea, rough sea, deep océan, sand banks anywhere?

Otherwise, how effective is the use of magic and aerial units? Long range or short range gunnery? Do we have submariner or mines. Etc., etc.

Btw, dont take midway as an example of carrier effectiveness, which are severly overrated by most writers. Midway were lucky hits against faulty Japanese carrier designs. The battle of the Phillipine sea is better and Leyte too.

Legit anything. I just want to see how people do it, the schematics doesn't matter.


Also disagree with not taking midway as an example. Luck is part of any battle and I think is worth a good study.
 

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Legit anything. I just want to see how people do it, the schematics doesn't matter.


Also disagree with not taking midway as an example. Luck is part of any battle and I think is worth a good study.

I am not sure what you mean. Midway shows what can happen if everything is perfect. The odds were so heavily stacked in the Americans favor, Japanese codes were broken, outnumbering the enemy by a significant margin, lucky scouting and detection of the Japanese carrier group, no Japanese fighter screen as they were already engaged and weak ship AA due to a lack of escorts, and good weather for the dive bombers. Midway is the perfect example if you want to represent an onesided slaughter against someone who is strongly disadvantaged.[/QUOTE]
 

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I am not sure what you mean. Midway shows what can happen if everything is perfect. The odds were so heavily stacked in the Americans favor, Japanese codes were broken, outnumbering the enemy by a significant margin, lucky scouting and detection of the Japanese carrier group, no Japanese fighter screen as they were already engaged and weak ship AA due to a lack of escorts, and good weather for the dive bombers. Midway is the perfect example if you want to represent an onesided slaughter against someone who is strongly disadvantaged.
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Well, I'm not here to argue much about it, but I think you are severely underestimating the strength of the Japanese forces during midway and severely overestimating the American forces during that time.

The Americans did NOT outnumber the Japanese at Midway. Sure the codes were cracked, and sure even if the Japanese won, it would have not mattered much for the war. But the victory was only won because the Americans were prepared and even then it took them a lucky streak to even score a decisive victory. Had lady luck not been on the American's side, they would have lost more than just Yorktown. The Japanese had superior boats, superior equipments, and superior planes during that time, I'd argue even better pilots.

This battle is a great example of a case study on how you capitalize on the enemies weakness, and how even the tiniest of things can change the course of entire battles. It might not have been a perfect example of carriers vs carriers, which I don't think it is anyways, but it does serve as a good foundation for a naval engagement and the follow up of said naval engagement in subsequent battles like the Guadalcanal Campaigns.
 

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Well, I'm not here to argue much about it, but I think you are severely underestimating the strength of the Japanese forces during midway and severely overestimating the American forces during that time.

The Americans did NOT outnumber the Japanese at Midway. Sure the codes were cracked, and sure even if the Japanese won, it would have not mattered much for the war. But the victory was only won because the Americans were prepared and even then it took them a lucky streak to even score a decisive victory. Had lady luck not been on the American's side, they would have lost more than just Yorktown. The Japanese had superior boats, superior equipments, and superior planes during that time, I'd argue even better pilots.

This battle is a great example of a case study on how you capitalize on the enemies weakness, and how even the tiniest of things can change the course of entire battles. It might not have been a perfect example of carriers vs carriers, which I don't think it is anyways, but it does serve as a good foundation for a naval engagement and the follow up of said naval engagement in subsequent battles like the Guadalcanal Campaigns.
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Fair point, but give me a bit of time. I will have to dig through a few books.

Aside from that, I dont think that such a scenario will duit your story. Your world seems more medieval while these are battles that were fought with multiple battlegroups hundreds of miles apart and with radio communications. In the age of sail such is impossible as they are forced to operate within the line of sight.
 

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Fair point, but give me a bit of time. I will have to dig through a few books.

Aside from that, I dont think that such a scenario will duit your story. Your world seems more medieval while these are battles that were fought with multiple battlegroups hundreds of miles apart and with radio communications. In the age of sail such is impossible as they are forced to operate within the line of sight.
Ohhh, this is for my other series. I haven't published that one yet. :blob_nom:

Also, It's not really about adding to the story you know. I'm just thought it was an interesting idea to write about. Since I rarely see naval based actions nowadays.
 

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Ohhh, this is for my other series. I haven't published that one yet. :blob_nom:

Also, It's not really about adding to the story you know. I'm just thought it was an interesting idea to write about. Since I rarely see naval based actions nowadays.

Ahhh, understood, understood. And I was already thinking about orichalcum platted ships fuelled by mana stones.

Machinery

Yes, Captain?

We need more mana stones. Shovel more into the boiler!
 

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If you give me time, I will give you more examples I have studied since I have to translate it for you

You can study while the Battle of Salamin

Battle of Salamin

The battle of Salamin was a naval combat that took place in 480 BC. and that is part of what is known as the Second Medical War. This battle confronted the Athenians and Spartans against the Persians, who were headed by Xerxes, Fifth Great King of the Achaemenid Empire.

The Persians began a gigantic invasion of Greece, but in the face of that occupation, not only did the heroism of the Greek people rise, that of the sailor Themistocles. Themistocles decided to consult the oracle to seek help in the face of the Persian invasion and he replied: "Athens must entrench itself behind a wooden wall." The Greek chief interpreted those words as follows: "The wooden wall is a bulkhead formed by the sides of the ships that will be built in a hurry and will be afloat." And, developing a fast activity, he prepared, supervised and launched the construction, until obtaining a large naval squadron capable of dealing with the powerful fleet of Xerxes.

The most common naval tactic in the Mediterranean was to ram with the spurs with which the triremes were equipped and board the enemy ship with the infantry, which became a land battle on the deck of ships. As a consequence, the Persian ships, attacked by spurs by the Greeks, could not maneuver to avoid the blows and left one another, breaking the oars and remaining at the mercy of the enemy.

After a day of arduous struggle, the battle of Salamis ended with the disastrous defeat of the Persians.

A video about the Battle of Salamin

Battle of Accio

Another of the great naval battles also took place in Greece, where the fleets of Cayo Julio César Octaviano (or César Augusto or Octavio Augusto) met and those of Marco Antonio and his ally Cleopatra, facing the Gulf of Ambracia and the promontory of Accio. This battle took place on September 2 of the year 31 B.C.

Marco Antonio's fleet was divided into four squads, with sails on board, ready for the fight. Cleopatra's squad included the rest of the merchant ships along with the valuable goods, but it remained in the rearguard and never provided support in the war. The bulk of the 20,000 legionaries and 2000 archers who had embarked on Marco Antonio's ships were divided between the other three squads trying to provoke a combat near the coast, where it was not possible for their fleet to be surrounded by that of the enemy. However, Antonio's ships, large and slow, were defeated by the smallest and most maneuverable ships of Agrippa and its superior armament. Cleopatra's ships, instead of fighting in battle, fled through the fighting ships, followed by Marco Antonio. This flight was unnoticed and the fight ended two hours later, around four in the afternoon, with the surrender of the fleet of the allies.
The battle resulted in the absolute victory of Octavio Augusto, with 2500 casualties, and the flight of Antonio and Cleopatra, leaving more than 5000 dead.

Battle of Lepanto

The battle of Lepanto was a naval combat that took place on October 7, 1571 in the Gulf of Lepanto in front of the city of Naupacto. In this fight they faced the Empire of the Ottoman Turks and a Christian coalition called the Holy League.

After taking over Constantinople in 1453, the Ottomans conquered Otranto, Algiers (in the hands of the pirate Barbaroja), Yemen and virtually the entire Mediterranean having defeated even Andrea Doria himself, the most notable admiral of Christianity of the XV and XVI.

However, the year 1571 would be critical; one of the most spectacular naval fighting in history would end up defeating them.
On October 7 of that year, Juan de Austria's fleet went to sea with 230 ships manned by some 80000 men. The center of the Turkish line was entrusted to the pirates Auldj Ali and Mehmet Chaulak (nicknamed by the Christians Mehmer Siroco).

In total, the Turkish crew amounted to 120000 men. After the arduous battle, the Christians were victorious. The Turks lost 224 ships; 130 remained in the hands of the Christians and the rest were set on fire or went down. Christians lost 15 ships and about 8,000 men, dead and wounded. 30,000 Turks found death and about 8,000 were taken prisoner. The booty captured from the Turkish ships was incalculable and was enough to compensate for the material losses of the so-called Holy League fleet.

As a favorite curiosity, it should be noted that one of the soldiers who fought in the battle was Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra who would be nicknamed "El Manco de Lepanto" and that centuries later he would become famous with his work The Ingenious Hidalgo Don Quijote de la Mancha

A video about this battle

Battle of the Invincible Navy

At the beginning of 1588, Spain finished building the most formidable fleet that until then sailed the seas: 134 large ships with a crew of more than 30,000 men, including 8,000 sailors, 2,000 galleys and 20,000 infantrymen. The fleet included 70 barges to transport 30 horses each.

The English had learned through Spanish prisoners that the purpose of the Spanish Navy was to invade the England of Isabel I. To defend their territory, the British enlisted 34 warships and 150 armed merchant ships that were placed under the command of Drake, an expert sailor with high navigation techniques.

After clashes in Calais and on the coasts of England and Scotland, and after the terrible storms that caused the sinking of a large part of the fleet, what was left of it returned to port, turning the Spanish expedition into a real disaster.

Batalla de Trafalgar

The Battle of Trafalgar, which took place on October 21, 1805 in front of the end of the Cadiz coast, faced Great Britain with Napoleonic France and its ally Spain.

Bonaparte had planned to repeat the feat of the Invincible Navy and conquer England. To do this, he gathered a large squad in Boulogne, which included French and Spanish vessels, and placed them under the command of French admiral Juan Bautista Silvestre de Villeneuve. The Franco-Spanish army was composed of 33 ships and 7 frigates. For its part, the British Navy, commanded by Admiral Nelson, consisted of 27 ships and 6 frigates.

On October 21, the Franco-Spanish squad left Cádiz to meet Nelson's English fleet and spotted her near Cape Trafalgar. The allies had 40 ships under the supreme command of Villeneuve, who, against the opinion of the Spanish sailors, had left the port in unfavorable conditions and reversed the march order to enter combat in a single and extensive line. The English fleet broke through the center Franco-Spanish formation, without the distant ships could come to the aid, thus making clear the weakness of the strategy ordered by Villeneuve. Only 15 ships from the Allied squad were saved from the disaster, the remaining 25 were sunk or captured.

In total, Franco-Spanish human losses reached about 3000 dead and one thousand injured.

If you need more examples I can provide them but better study these for now and if you have any questions you can ask me.
 
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If you give me time, I will give you more examples I have studied since I have to translate it for you

You can study while the Battle of Salamin

Battle of Salamin

The battle of Salamin was a naval combat that took place in 480 BC. and that is part of what is known as the Second Medical War. This battle confronted the Athenians and Spartans against the Persians, who were headed by Xerxes, Fifth Great King of the Achaemenid Empire.

The Persians began a gigantic invasion of Greece, but in the face of that occupation, not only did the heroism of the Greek people rise, that of the sailor Themistocles. Themistocles decided to consult the oracle to seek help in the face of the Persian invasion and he replied: "Athens must entrench itself behind a wooden wall." The Greek chief interpreted those words as follows: "The wooden wall is a bulkhead formed by the sides of the ships that will be built in a hurry and will be afloat." And, developing a fast activity, he prepared, supervised and launched the construction, until obtaining a large naval squadron capable of dealing with the powerful fleet of Xerxes.

The most common naval tactic in the Mediterranean was to ram with the spurs with which the triremes were equipped and board the enemy ship with the infantry, which became a land battle on the deck of ships. As a consequence, the Persian ships, attacked by spurs by the Greeks, could not maneuver to avoid the blows and left one another, breaking the oars and remaining at the mercy of the enemy.

After a day of arduous struggle, the battle of Salamis ended with the disastrous defeat of the Persians.

A video about the Battle of Salamin

Battle of Accio

Another of the great naval battles also took place in Greece, where the fleets of Cayo Julio César Octaviano (or César Augusto or Octavio Augusto) met and those of Marco Antonio and his ally Cleopatra, facing the Gulf of Ambracia and the promontory of Accio. This battle took place on September 2 of the year 31 B.C.

Marco Antonio's fleet was divided into four squads, with sails on board, ready for the fight. Cleopatra's squad included the rest of the merchant ships along with the valuable goods, but it remained in the rearguard and never provided support in the war. The bulk of the 20,000 legionaries and 2000 archers who had embarked on Marco Antonio's ships were divided between the other three squads trying to provoke a combat near the coast, where it was not possible for their fleet to be surrounded by that of the enemy. However, Antonio's ships, large and slow, were defeated by the smallest and most maneuverable ships of Agrippa and its superior armament. Cleopatra's ships, instead of fighting in battle, fled through the fighting ships, followed by Marco Antonio. This flight was unnoticed and the fight ended two hours later, around four in the afternoon, with the surrender of the fleet of the allies.
The battle resulted in the absolute victory of Octavio Augusto, with 2500 casualties, and the flight of Antonio and Cleopatra, leaving more than 5000 dead.

Battle of Lepanto

The battle of Lepanto was a naval combat that took place on October 7, 1571 in the Gulf of Lepanto in front of the city of Naupacto. In this fight they faced the Empire of the Ottoman Turks and a Christian coalition called the Holy League.

After taking over Constantinople in 1453, the Ottomans conquered Otranto, Algiers (in the hands of the pirate Barbaroja), Yemen and virtually the entire Mediterranean having defeated even Andrea Doria himself, the most notable admiral of Christianity of the XV and XVI.

However, the year 1571 would be critical; one of the most spectacular naval fighting in history would end up defeating them.
On October 7 of that year, Juan de Austria's fleet went to sea with 230 ships manned by some 80000 men. The center of the Turkish line was entrusted to the pirates Auldj Ali and Mehmet Chaulak (nicknamed by the Christians Mehmer Siroco).

In total, the Turkish crew amounted to 120000 men. After the arduous battle, the Christians were victorious. The Turks lost 224 ships; 130 remained in the hands of the Christians and the rest were set on fire or went down. Christians lost 15 ships and about 8,000 men, dead and wounded. 30,000 Turks found death and about 8,000 were taken prisoner. The booty captured from the Turkish ships was incalculable and was enough to compensate for the material losses of the so-called Holy League fleet.

As a favorite curiosity, it should be noted that one of the soldiers who fought in the battle was Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra who would be nicknamed "El Manco de Lepanto" and that centuries later he would become famous with his work The Ingenious Hidalgo Don Quijote de la Mancha

A video about this battle

Battle of the Invincible Navy

At the beginning of 1588, Spain finished building the most formidable fleet that until then sailed the seas: 134 large ships with a crew of more than 30,000 men, including 8,000 sailors, 2,000 galleys and 20,000 infantrymen. The fleet included 70 barges to transport 30 horses each.

The English had learned through Spanish prisoners that the purpose of the Spanish Navy was to invade the England of Isabel I. To defend their territory, the British enlisted 34 warships and 150 armed merchant ships that were placed under the command of Drake, an expert sailor with high navigation techniques.

After clashes in Calais and on the coasts of England and Scotland, and after the terrible storms that caused the sinking of a large part of the fleet, what was left of it returned to port, turning the Spanish expedition into a real disaster.

Batalla de Trafalgar

The Battle of Trafalgar, which took place on October 21, 1805 in front of the end of the Cadiz coast, faced Great Britain with Napoleonic France and its ally Spain.

Bonaparte had planned to repeat the feat of the Invincible Navy and conquer England. To do this, he gathered a large squad in Boulogne, which included French and Spanish vessels, and placed them under the command of French admiral Juan Bautista Silvestre de Villeneuve. The Franco-Spanish army was composed of 33 ships and 7 frigates. For its part, the British Navy, commanded by Admiral Nelson, consisted of 27 ships and 6 frigates.

On October 21, the Franco-Spanish squad left Cádiz to meet Nelson's English fleet and spotted her near Cape Trafalgar. The allies had 40 ships under the supreme command of Villeneuve, who, against the opinion of the Spanish sailors, had left the port in unfavorable conditions and reversed the march order to enter combat in a single and extensive line. The English fleet broke through the center Franco-Spanish formation, without the distant ships could come to the aid, thus making clear the weakness of the strategy ordered by Villeneuve. Only 15 ships from the Allied squad were saved from the disaster, the remaining 25 were sunk or captured.

In total, Franco-Spanish human losses reached about 3000 dead and one thousand injured.

If you need more examples I can provide them but better study these for now and if you have any questions you can ask me.
Wow, this is incredibly detailed. I know about a few like the battle of Salamin and the Invincible Navy, but the others look like a good read. Thanks for suggesting this.
 

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Wow, this is incredibly detailed. I know about a few like the battle of Salamin and the Invincible Navy, but the others look like a good read. Thanks for suggesting this.

Yes, I have too many documents that I have researched on history, economics, religion, sociology, medicine, wars, I love studying to inspire me and there are fewer failures in my stories :blob_paint:
 

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Have you ever heard of a boom defence? This is basically chains spanning an entire strait or width of a river, attached to boom towers from either side, preventing ships from entering the waters, unless they cut it (it's hard because it's made out of steel and usually guarded) or it was lowered for whatever reason.

Also, is gunpowder or the like exists in your story? Because if not, then naval battles would basically ships ramming each other which later on devolves to land warfare on unstable ground, with the occasional greek fire and projectiles involved. Nothing threatening to the ships except the ramming and fire, so they were usually captured when defeated.

Also expect a lot of people drowning.
 

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Despite my fondness for combat, i dont have any tips for you. The only story of mine that is naval themed has, so far, only had small scale (1-2 ships per side) battles. I do plan on larger battles in the future though.

I suppose it depends on how much realism you want to include vs artistic license for entertaining sections. Sure, it's more realistic to have long range shelling duels or air strikes but it's more entertaining to have battles take place at much closer ranges (at least on the small to medium scale).
 

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Have you ever heard of a boom defence? This is basically chains spanning an entire strait or width of a river, attached to boom towers from either side, preventing ships from entering the waters, unless they cut it (it's hard because it's made out of steel and usually guarded) or it was lowered for whatever reason.

Also, is gunpowder or the like exists in your story? Because if not, then naval battles would basically ships ramming each other which later on devolves to land warfare on unstable ground, with the occasional greek fire and projectiles involved. Nothing threatening to the ships except the ramming and fire, so they were usually captured when defeated.

Also expect a lot of people drowning.

Interesting concept on Boom defence. I'll read up more about it. :blob_reach:

Also, yeah, something like that exist. Magic of sorts.

Despite my fondness for combat, i dont have any tips for you. The only story of mine that is naval themed has, so far, only had small scale (1-2 ships per side) battles. I do plan on larger battles in the future though.

I suppose it depends on how much realism you want to include vs artistic license for entertaining sections. Sure, it's more realistic to have long range shelling duels or air strikes but it's more entertaining to have battles take place at much closer ranges (at least on the small to medium scale).

It's alright, :blob_reach:
 
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