Yeah, and everything you said, missed my point. MY post was based off of people reviewing only on emotional/moral standards. If you can't see that, than thats your problem. Get some reading comprehension bud. It'll take you places. That it went against the thread in general, sure I agree. But it was something I've noticed becoming common enough and and this thread was sort of similar in regards to what I was saying so I put it here. If you don't like it, then as my earlier statement said: Get over it.
You quoted AkalE and directly replied to them. If you weren't replying to their point, why bother quoting them? Now, if you just wanted to have a random little rant about your feelings in the thread, that'd be fine. Off-topic, sure, but I wouldn't have said you missed anybody's point. Like you said, reading comprehension. A normal person with reading comprehension is going to assume that you're replying to the point of the person who you quoted, not that you're talking in general about something unrelated to their point. Otherwise, why quote them? Also, it's kind of silly to tell others to get over something when you can't get over it yourself. If you want to have a discussion, we can have a discussion. But if your entire purpose is to leave a random rant in the middle of a thread while quoting somebody only to not even reply to the point that they're actually trying to make, why are you wasting your time and derailing the thread? Don't you have anything better to be doing that you would actually enjoy rather than constantly being offended over others being offended?
I think Ace Arriande was triggered over what I said LOL. Though I'm sure he'll backtrack and deny it. And yes, saying you don't care is a statement, not some irrefutable proof on the contrary. What kind of logic is that anyway Ace?
Yes, yes, I get it. "No, I don't care, YOU care. I'm not triggered, YOU'RE triggered. LOL." This exact copy-paste strawman has been popular all over the internet for the latter half of the past decade. As for me? Yes, I care. I'm a human being. It's natural to care about things. I wouldn't have replied to any of this if I didn't care. Triggered? You can believe that if you want. The word has lost pretty much all meaning anyways. So sure, I'm triggered. At least I can admit to my feelings, though, instead of pretending that I don't care about random people on the internet while going into emotional rants about them. I'm not afraid to admit that I actually have emotions that affect my decisions. I'm not going to backtrack on anything nor deny anything. And you're right, saying you don't care is a statement. But there's a difference between "I don't care" and going into multiple, off-topic paragraphs at random ranting about people being offended while insulting the people at question and repeating, over and over again, just how much you "don't care." Just kinda weird when somebody randomly types up a few paragraphs full of emotionally-charged language talking about how much they supposedly don't care about something while sounding exactly like the people they don't care about, ya know? Reading comprehension and all.
I mean stating that you don't care about someone's opinions is just a fact. A person cant say "you cared enough to respond to me tho" because that aint what was meant. What they meant was they dont give a rat's ass about your feelings. But if you say something they disagree with or like, its not that they care about you, but the ideas you put forth.
I absolutely agree with you. But like I said above, there's a difference between "I don't care" and writing multiple paragraphs full of emotionally-charged language while complaining about people doing that exact thing. But let's say that somebody can do that while genuinely not caring. Sure, we can pretend to believe them. In that case, it just makes them a hypocrite, either an unaware one or a self-aware one. But seriously, no matter how many times you say you don't care about something, if you write up a whole post whining about something while insulting the people at question, and then say again you don't actually care, ain't nobody gonna buy that. Well, I'd like to believe that nobody would buy that, but this is 2020. People buy that drinking bleach is good for them.
But for example, if I said "I don't care" after everything else I said, that's obviously bullshit. If I didn't care then I would have either not replied or I would have left a reply with far less effort. People should just admit that they're offended over others being offended, in my honest opinion. There's nothing wrong with being offended. It's a natural part of life. Even if somebody is offended over others being offended, it's okay to admit to that instead of pretending they don't care. We're all adults. We should own our emotions and our beliefs. The problem is when you go and try to cancel somebody's entire career because they say one little thing that offends you. People can fuck off with that. Being offended is fine. Forcing everybody to bend over backward to cater to your preferences isn't.
That aside. How far does tagging have to go? Cuz im not going to write over twenty tags detailing every little thing you might be offended over. Especially if its not a important bit of the story. Spoilers? Sure. That too. Could contain spoilers. But if you dislike BL and there is a gay couple, im not putting that fucking tag cuz thats not an important detail. The gay couple isnt important either most likely. And you may hate the story just for having that aspect in it even if its so unimportant.
Thats unreasonable bullshit. People who nitpick like that are just cunts. Its not bad to hate aspects like that in a story. Butnfor fucks sake if its not a big part of the story and is inconsequential, maybe even never mentioned again, dont be so pissy over it.
If you do see a tag you dont like, dont read. If you dont see it but it has the idea in the story, you are free to bitch about it. Yeah. But the point is, it doesnt belong in a review
Ideally reviews are unbiased. If there are specific sections for a review, maybe dont concentrate on the one thing you hated. Like the BL example i gave. Cuz thats also annoying bullshit. you gotta be fair. Not just talk Bout the parts you hated, especially if those parts arent an important aspect of the story
It's okay in comment sections. Not in a review section.
Yeah, I agree. I'm in the camp of not tagging stuff that people would probably appreciate tags for because I refuse to spoil and tag every single thing in my story. But if somebody leaves me a negative review over that, I'm not going to be bothered, personally. I've already got plenty like that. I included serious topics that could potentially be triggering for people, and I didn't warn them beforehand because I believed it would lessen the impact and be a spoiler. If it upsets people to the point of negatively reviewing me, that's fine. All reviews are left out of emotion in the first place seeing as how it's impossible to objectively review something.
But really, it's complicated. I don't think there's a perfect solution to it and I don't know of any better solutions that could be proposed. I don't like tagging things either, especially when it comes to things that shouldn't be controversial but are. Like how I've gotten hate mail several times for having gay side characters in a series. Or how that one story on RR got super review-bombed because of a single gay kiss out of the entire story that didn't even have a serious effect on anything. Should that person have tagged that it would have a gay kiss in it or give a warning? In my opinion, absolutely not.
I do agree, though, that something shouldn't be the subject of a review if it's just a minor part of the story. That was why I tried to include some pretty damn extreme examples in my post - examples that completely alter the course of the story rather than just being some tiny little thing. If somebody gets offended over one random thing on one page out of the entire book, and they leave a review because of that, then it's an utterly trash review and they should spend their time doing other things that they actually enjoy in life. But if a story completely pulls the rug out from under you and suddenly the entire second half of it is full of offensive content that had absolutely zero warning? If that inspires somebody to leave a review, that's perfectly fair, imo. Like I said, a romance story that reveals itself to actually be NTR a few chapters in. That's time you invested into something that was falsely advertised and that offended you because you don't like NTR. If somebody leaves a review complaining that it's NTR and saying that they don't like NTR in a story that looked like it was supposed to be about a happy relationship, then isn't that fair considering that there was zero mention of NTR until it happened? Time is valuable, especially when we live in an age where people feel pressured to constantly make the most of their time. If somebody's expectations are betrayed in an offensive way, after they spent their valuable time on it, then they're entitled to be upset. If anything, we could even see this as a good, positive thing to do because they might spare others from the same fate, resulting in greater overall happiness while also preventing like-minded people from buying the book and also leaving negative reviews.
To me, anyways, negatively reviewing something because it has content you find offensive is no worse than leaving a poor review because of bad grammar, stupid plot, or boring characters, or whatever else. All of that is founded off of personal opinion. But, just as a disclaimer, I genuinely believe it's impossible to be objective or unbiased when it comes to reviewing fiction or any other sort of art. It is all 100% subjective. Being offended is 100% subjective. Thinking a plot and characters are boring is 100% subjective. They're of equal worth to me. There's just also a sliding scale of how legitimate somebody's complaint is depending on the frequency of what they're complaining about within the story. Getting offended over one mention of Jesus in an entire book? Stupid and waste of time, go read something else instead of whining. Getting offended because the atheist book you're reading starts preaching religion and trying to convert you halfway through? Yeah, you
should leave a negative review because it offended you.
We could have a whole srguement where we cuss each other out and if ya crack a joke i'll make one back no hard feelings and we can go about our day
fck u dumb b!tch
It doesn't matter to me if he remains friendly with me in the future.
I consider myself being friendly to you even now. I'm just, as far as I'm concerned, pointing out something that I think is pretty silly = P. I genuinely love having these sorts of discussions with people. Also whenever people bring up others getting offended, if somebody doesn't take the other side, then the thread just devolves into furious circlejerking and cum splashing everywhere while laughing at those silly triggered SJWs.
Of course, the thread ended up getting derailed anyways in the time that it took me to actually type up this response. I ain't even gonna bother replying to the new topic since then I actually
am going to start sounding triggered.
