Firstly, to say that rhetoric is "on me" and not on you, that's an incorrect statement. If someone was to use statements like "I think global warming is made up" or "I think vaccines are a hoax", it's correct to call those anti-science rhetoric, because that is what they are. Listeners can and should correctly identify the true motivations behind statements, and if there's a message that you're not intending to send, then consider that maybe there are meanings you're not aware of.
Which is to say, the
anti-fujoshi rhetoric I'm referring to is rooted in misogyny and includes terms like "fetishizing" as dogwhistle terms to get people to dogpile on fans of m/m content.
Tumblr user rottenboysclub, a gay Japanese fudanshi, has done a lot of really important work in informing and clarifying what a fujoshi/fudanshi/fujin is, and what they aren't (fetishizers). If you're innocently using the term 'fetishize' in relation to m/m content, then you should know you're using language that originates in redefining a Japanese word to denigrate and dismiss people that like m/m content. Since you've said you enjoy analyzing, I think you'll really enjoy these reads, as they cover everything historically, including the 'yaoi ronso'. Hope that helps!
Come on, NO.
I put like 3 warnings/elaborations in that post what I am talking about. Reread it but please don't put words in my mouth
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First of all, I do know about fujo stuff. I researched that stuff where it originated. In Japanese media. I know a bit of Japanese to tell you that they do not use the term "fetish" in conjunction with fujos. That is an English addition (mistranslation? assumption? just random quirk?). And since: a) I am not English, b) the origin of the discussion and terms you are pointing to are also non-English --
-- that part of history you are talking about is either Anglo-centric and I have nothing to do with it because, like most people outside of Anglosphere like to joke "
American problem. Literally do not care"
;
-- or this part of fujo history is based on mistranslations of "rotten" and by that metric, the term "fujo" you use also is offensive and shouldn't be used. Yet you do?
So when I use the term "fetish", I refer to it in its philosophical/psychological meaning that in sex cultures has no negative connotations on its own. Only in the eyes of some people.
I guess I am not that person but you might be. I still don't see what it has to do with me, tbh
I do find it a bit weird to strawman people when they explicitly said they are talking about being unable to find things in an over-saturated market rather than having a bias or prejudice toward something. TT___TT I usually do not use term "fetish" on SHF when I talk about BL -- you can search it up. I started using it here because:
1) someone used it
before me and I saw no harm done if I keep referring to it like that since everyone in the thread seemed very mature and understanding about that ALREADY;
2) I thought this was a safe space for in-depth philosophical discussions where people would understand it where people simplify things for the sake of the discussion (especially with all the elaborations of what I was saying right there -- where my main point was not that fetishes exist but that it's hard to FIND something that isn't them because they drown everything else out).
If someone here wants me to write a THESIS
about it and avoid saying "fetish" for 5-10k words while I will be talking explicitly about that -- just say so and I'll see what I can do
.
You know me.
Just give me a reason for a thesis and I will jump on it!
I just didn't want to hog a discussion that has already gone down that route and I definitely wanted to fastforward through tip-toeing around a term in order to address issues that this term
conceals in the community.
Once again, to quote myself from the earlier thread here on SHF:
I can say "10000305286k words about the Black Swan hypothesis etc" or I can just say "luck" because most understand how simplifications work ^^.
Likewise, I can say "a hollow muscular organ that pumps the blood through the circulatory system by rhythmic contraction and dilation. In vertebrates there may be up to four chambers (as in humans), with two atria and two ventricles" or I can just say "heart"
It's fun when we all understand and appreciate the differing complexities of language, isn't it?
If the term bothers you so much -- I will use another one because if people ask nicely, I usually oblige them
. Tell me which and we're cool
But please do not put words in my mouth ^^.
I don't like that, especially when they are rooted 100% in Anglocentrism +_+. Nothing personal, I just don't exactly enjoy (or understand) the lack of globalized and cosmopolitan ideas in some of the Anglocentric topics sometimes... Just not interesting to me.
*noms on you*
Tigers are rare and tasty animals ^^.
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