The ones who wrote about the orphaned protagonist are the ones who felt disappointed of the presence of their parents

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This is just hypothesis, so when I think about it, most writers who wrote about their certain protagonist whom he/she needed to be orphaned are the ones who preferred themselves to live themselves all alone without parent's concern that might personally draw problems more and more, and they desired to have their personal space.

I think I could tell that these kind of people are very clever to write one's life without a need of parenting. (Of course, writing is essential to our personal influence)

P.S. I'm not encouraging you to hate your parents, but I'm just thinking that we all can relate to this.
 

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Oh, not really. Orphaned children are the perfect plot device. No need to explain why they are far from home, no need to explain why they have little connection to their place so they can later go on adventures, and no nagging parents that wouldn't let them go because it is irresponsible some hormone-driven teenagers into battle. After all, what can go wrong?
 

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Oh, not really. Orphaned children are the perfect plot device. No need to explain why they are far from home, no need to explain why they have little connection to their place so they can later go on adventures, and no nagging parents that wouldn't let them go because it is irresponsible some hormone-driven teenagers into battle. After all, what can go wrong?

I can feel that. It's like skipping Naruto filler episodes that talks about whole past of a certain character. I really don't want to tell wholly about the childhood unless motives are bit essential for personality check.

It is as valid as those 'who writes villain-type protagonist is a psychopath'.

Unless motives are essential to them.
 

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I can feel that. It's like skipping Naruto filler episodes that talks about whole past of a certain character. I really don't want to tell wholly about the childhood unless motives are bit essential for personality check.



Unless motives are essential to them.

Yes, it mostly so that author have a blank slate, which they can mold as they want. No parents = no parental influence.
 

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I feel like a lot of people go through that, at least as a phase. I'm not saying everyone, since I only speak from my personal experience, but when I first started writing, my protagonist was an orphan because I felt stifled by my parents. I felt like I never took risks because they were always watching me, and I didn't want to deal with their scrutiny.

After living with a swinger boyfriend for five years, I satisfied many of my curiosities. However, when I moved back in with my parents, I came clean with them about a lot of things, and they turned out to be a lot more open-minded than I thought they would be. They still questioned me and wanted me to explain why I was polyamorous, but they treated me as an adult and let me bring lovers home.

I still haven't come clean about my experience as an escort, though.

These days, my protagonist is an adult who is not living with her parents, but she does have lunch with her mother in one chapter, and her mother will show up again later in the story.
 

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I feel like a lot of people go through that, at least as a phase. I'm not saying everyone, since I only speak from my personal experience, but when I first started writing, my protagonist was an orphan because I felt stifled by my parents. I felt like I never took risks because they were always watching me, and I didn't want to deal with their scrutiny.

After living with a swinger boyfriend for five years, I satisfied many of my curiosities. However, when I moved back in with my parents, I came clean with them about a lot of things, and they turned out to be a lot more open-minded than I thought they would be. They still questioned me and wanted me to explain why I was polyamorous, but they treated me as an adult and let me bring lovers home.

I still haven't come clean about my experience as an escort, though.

These days, my protagonist is an adult who is not living with her parents, but she does have lunch with her mother in one chapter, and her mother will show up again later in the story.
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In my two stories, although the causes differ, the main characters both have messed up relationships with their fathers. Do I have any problem with my dad? Nope, our relationship is rock solid. If anything, he might have problems with me, but not the other way around.

I think people just choose a set up depending on the story they're trying to sell. If it were really personal, you'd probably smell the bias in the writing with the narrator saying things like "parents are useless" and whatnot. Just my two cents.
 

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Orphaned protagonist are kinda good plot material to develop growth. Its kinda fun writing them because you feel less restrictive and even more freedom than with parents that would worry. Once you develop family love to them, it gives growth of development which causes a wholesome chapter when writing relationships being developed.
 

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Really, all the orphaned protagonist trope really is is a way to inject a little darkness into the "kidled" trope. That is, a child protagonist who's getting into situations their parents would put a stop to immediately if they were in the story at all.

It's the dead/absent parents trope taken to it's logical extreme. That's really all there is. No more, no less. No need to overthink it.
 

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as if the ones above haven't spoken enough of it, no, making our protagonist an orphan isn't because we hate our parents but because we want to be cool and edgy

okay maybe not that but c'mon orphans are cool and edgy troupes innit--

After living with a swinger boyfriend for five years, I satisfied many of my curiosities. However, when I moved back in with my parents, I came clean with them about a lot of things, and they turned out to be a lot more open-minded than I thought they would be. They still questioned me and wanted me to explain why I was polyamorous, but they treated me as an adult and let me bring lovers home.

I still haven't come clean about my experience as an escort, though.

These days, my protagonist is an adult who is not living with her parents, but she does have lunch with her mother in one chapter, and her mother will show up again later in the story.
Holy shit of all the stories I've heard about parents this is one deserving a spot in the books.

I can't count the amount of time people shit on their parents just because they show some degree of reluctance towards sudden changes. You have to remember that your parents are born in an era and age where things like polygamy and homosexualities are things that go with the electric chair and public stonings, much less gender fluidity, transgenderism and other stuff. They're new to this. Be the one to bridge them to the changed world, not isolate them just because they hold different world views from different stand points you yourself never experienced. They're not inheritly whateverphobic. They're like you in some degree; taught wrong and incorrectly as children.

I have never seen a parent in real life who'd immediately discard their sons and daughters if they come clean, save for the religious zealots. Be the rational one and talk to them. Understand your predicament from their perspective. It may not be your fault, but you're the one that can fix the problem.

Thanks for sharing this one, fellow gamer. It may not seem much but little tales like this really reinstates my fate in humanity.
 

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You have to remember that your parents are born in an era and age where things like polygamy and homosexualities are things that go with the electric chair and public stonings, much less gender fluidity, transgenderism and other stuff. They're new to this. Be the one to bridge them to the changed world, not isolate them just because they hold different world views from different stand points you yourself never experienced. They're not inheritly whateverphobic. They're like you in some degree; taught wrong and incorrectly as children.

This reminded me of this old song:
 

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Pretty sure most orphaned protagonists are just a convenient excuse to give them no home to return to and nothing to stop them from a live of adventure and what not.

Sometimes a story wants to go more deeply into the life of an orphan and show its hardships and stuff, but... Those are not the norm.
 

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Sometimes a story wants to go more deeply into the life of an orphan and show its hardships and stuff, but... Those are not the norm.
‘A princess’s fate indeed!’

Surely, she cannot have thought that just because the scars upon my flesh were gone that the ones upon my soul were also healed?! To be born Cursed was a death sentence for most, and by all rights I should have been put to death at once if only for the convenience of convention, for that was the common practice!

Failing that, I should have been disposed of shortly thereafter… just one more body drifting along a river that unceasingly knew the company of corpses. I’d long looked at the Tiber with reproach, and as it sent the deceased downriver, I would wonder to myself why I hadn’t been made to join those men and women in death. What was so pleasant about me that I was denied a fate that was shared by hundreds every day?

What was it that’d stayed my father’s hand: insecurity, or perhaps embarrassment? Was it grief that spared me strangulation by my own mother’s arms? I should never know, for I was delivered to the Foundation so shortly after my birth, and I had never known of the circumstances by which my death was deferred. It was nothing short of miraculous that the payments kept coming in for long enough that I should have survived babyhood in the Mother’s midst!

When I was a young girl, I’d liked to imagine that my parents had been royalty, and had wealth beyond my wildest imagination! I dreamed that they would reconsider their abandonment of me, and that I would someday know why they’d been rid of me in the first place — surely some great plot against my life had arisen, and this was the only method by which they could protect me!

I’d harboured that ridiculous thought in my heart for much longer than I should’ve in this world that never wanted me… one which could scarcely tolerate my very existence! It wasn’t until the gold stopped coming that the direness of my reality had quite set upon me, and I’d been forced to turn urchin to request my stay of the Mother. She always took most everything I’d come by, and she could command that I give her all the rest as well with but a hint of aether; a princess’s fate indeed!

The betrayal of abandonment or the horror of bereavement at an early age have fantastic knock-on effects on a person, in the right circumstances.

I’m using it in addition to being born wrongkind to drive a wedge into a character’s humanity through that near-universal alienation. The few who socially ‘survive’ contact with the wrongkind then see the kinds of moral degeneracy which come with those at the extremity of humanity, and the few who still aren’t turned away tend to be of the ‘sort’ that influence a person still further away from ‘the norm’.

Orphaned characters who are already adults are way more interesting to work with than those in the early portions of the process: their psychology is irrevocably affected by it.

My own parents weren’t the ‘best’ throughout my earlier years, but they’re mostly fine now. Even actually called the police for once the other day when my elder sister’s daughter called them about my sister being beaten up by her second husband again. That’s jaw-dropping progress towards the positive as I see it, and so this goes to show an example of how one’s childhood experiences affect their later framing of the world around them.

In a word: normalization. Our childhood sets our parameters.
 
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My own parents weren’t the ‘best’ throughout my earlier years, but they’re mostly fine now. Even actually called the police for once the other day when my elder sister’s daughter called them about my sister being beaten up by her second husband again. That’s jaw-dropping progress towards the positive as I see it, and so this goes to show an example of how one’s childhood experiences affect their later framing of the world around them.
Wafu! >.<

I hope your elder sister's husband improved his behavior or that she is away from him now! Nobody has the right to hit someone else, especially not your loved ones! >.<
 

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I want my characters to be mature even when they are young...:ROFLMAO:
Really? I like when young protagonists show their lack of maturity actually.

I'm writing a novel with a child protagonist right now, and it's a conscious and constant effort to make sure she is still childish... It's pretty hard to not make her suddenly mature! xD
 

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Wafu! >.<

I hope your elder sister's husband improved his behavior or that she is away from him now! Nobody has the right to hit someone else, especially not your loved ones! >.<
Hah! The very intention behind saying it is that this is a very old problem, and that the 'tremendous' step forward this time was in doing anything at all for once. It was meant to be indicative of normalization, and how it affects a person (that is to say: me). No, I wouldn't expect that any changes are likely occur in the direction of reasonableness. This is far from the first time that 'powers that be' (police, parents, neighbors, governmental bodies) have been informed and presented with said behavior, and yet nobody will ever step in to actually affect change in that situation.

Critically, my elder sister is desperate enough to believe that she's made 'the right choice' for once in her sordid life, and her distorted sense of pride will not allow for her to admit her husband's wrongdoings to herself (and not even her 2 now adult children seem to be willing to press the other matters, despite her still having another niece and a nephew of mine under her 'wing': this much I've tried substantially to affect, but it unfortunately came to no success (could never convince parents or the eldest niece to take the others in, and I couldn't do it myself because those would have been the necessary witnesses to have affected changes in the situation)). Took her 13 years of drunken abuse last time to divorce, and who can say how many years it'll take her this time... but I personally suspect she never will. Her psychology is too tied to the matter, and if she actually frees herself of its influence upon her: she will be lost. She'd have to come to grips with having 'wasted' nearly 25 years of her life, and her entire worldview would have to change... therefore: no change is likely.

My elder sister is the kind of person to exact her irritation at her children through strange punishments. One of her exhibited behaviors is she'll spend a great deal of money on a dog for one of her children (500$-3000$), only to then 'take it away' once her children do something which interferes with her preferred direction/interpretation of reality. For instance: I'm sure that my niece's newest dog will soon be delivered 'to the farm' where all good animals go when their owners feel a skosh vexed... after all, it was that niece who 'snitched' this time.

That isn't to say I think she deserves what she's getting, because you're quite right: it's unthinkable that someone should be made to endure such abuse under any circumstances... and it is horrible that such abuse should be allowed to continue whatsoever. However, it is very much to say that despite having heard about that terrible situation and then watching my very own mother cry because one of my elder brothers called her to berate her for calling the police because one of my nieces was in tears over the issue: I simply cannot feel anything for this situation, for it is 'normal' when compared to all of those which came before it, and which didn't manage somehow to elicit at least an equivalent response.

I used to maintain that concern in me (for my elder sister, or my nieces), but it's entirely worn off over the years. So many animals walked into that house alive and well and came out dead or broken (not necessarily due to my sister's direct physical actions, but more due to the same gross negligence and dispassion she afforded to her daughters), which is to say nothing of her effect upon my nieces over the years (2 broken adults who now exhibit many smaller examples of her more negative behaviors, and one broken teenager who will never be able to live on her own entirely). I would weep for my nephew as well, but I've barely met him, because my elder sister has been entirely alienated from me (bad influence on her daughters she said... well, joke's on her: all three of them turned out to be gay even without my 'assistance') since I was less than half the age I am now.

There's no feeling that I can express towards my elder sister's plight (and I've only anger left for how my nieces have been treated), and I believe that it was probably being treated like some sort of child molester/predator by her after I fully socially transitioned at 13 (no support beyond being 'acceptable' to the boys around, fam) which robbed most-all of my ability to empathize with her endlessly dreadful situation (was married to the other guy at that time. Oddly, in the gap between her marriages she settled down considerably, and even gave me a lift home from the local college once! That was a shock, getting accepted first by my elder sister of all people in my family! But she later doubled then tripled the dosage of nasty-to-me after her second shotgun wedding where none of her family was invited, so I simply cannot understand what that short phase was about. I suspect it's because the eldest sibling (my brother) came out as gay in that span of time between abusive jerks). There's an age divide of almost 15 years between us, and my relationship with most of the entire upper group of siblings (10-17 years older) is poor. They 'support' each other largely, though they've each such a divisive element to them that as often as they will stand to 'support' each others worst impulses: they will also abandon each other at a moment's offense, and goodness forbid they try to do *anything* the rest aren't keen on... probably why it took my brother like 17 years of marriage to a woman as old as my parents to actually declare his homosexuality, and our parents later voted down the Alaska gay-marriage bill that year... such support they felt for only their singular 'successful' child.

In a clinical sort of way: it's fascinating to observe a family that has every reason to succeed (wealthy enough, healthy enough, hard-working enough) and still fails so drastically on an interpesonal level, with broken and pretentious relationships only. More emotionally speaking: it's terribly sad to witness my elder siblings, and even my singular younger one. 5 broken adults, none of which are very happy people, all of which largely inflict their suffering upon themselves, and each of which has had divorce in their life with 'long term' partners.

Family has only been a source of observable tragedy for me. The most damning observation about my family for me is that while I am very much the one among my siblings that started with by far the most cause to be unhappy: I remain the happiest of us by far. The happiest path forward for me, eight years ago, should have been to have abandoned my family in entirety, for I had no appreciable connection with any of them at the time (even only a few years ago I was the *only* person my younger sister banned from her wedding, which is amusing when one considers that by now I'm one of only two siblings she still talks to).

Still, as BenJepheneT rightfully suggests: I was the only person who could have changed how my family viewed me, and I did!

I'm currently living with my immigrated husband (my parents and eldest brother both supported us through the fiscal requirements for my marrying a foreign born person) in my parents' house, rent free. It only took 8 years of enduring their outright rejection of me (my 18 year old birthday gift, first gift I'd gotten since like 14, was a suitcase-set), and 4 years of having to put my foot down while the damage of my 'second puberty' (when testosterone finally came in to WRECK my super-cute visage) faded. Ultimately, I believe it was when I brought home a great big strong man who is 1.5x my size (not in height alone, it's total mass) that really sealed the deal for them (apparently, my total gayness for my ex-girlfriend was more of a relief to them than anything. But yeah, they've been regularly speaking to their 60+ year old friends on the phone while referring to me as their daughter. That's pretty cool. They still slip up occasionally, which is only super weird and I usually totally miss that they've done it since I haven't internalized that stuff since about three years before my near-universally disapproved social transition (16-17 years ago, though it did rather work out for the boys my age!) but it's fine: my tenure in this house is only as long as it takes for us to get an RV and get gone.

Would have liked to have gone on a tour of the USA instead, but unfortunately you've gotta tell homeland every single place you are, and a way to get hold of you by mail... it's just untenable. Might as well park it on a little piece of land somewhere here though :D
 
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