Content guidelines/sexual content

[minacia]

I would argue he just doesn't care and puts it up to avoid legal trouble.

Very fair point ^^

 

[CL]

How Much Detail Can There Be In Graphic Scenes Before It Becomes Too Much.

 

[GoodPuppiWaffles]

I don't understand why these illegal acts are even slipping through the cracks. If the characters are under 18, having non-consensual sex, bestiality, incest, etc., take it down.

 

[CL]

I don't understand why these illegal acts are even slipping through the cracks. If the characters are under 18, having non-consensual sex, bestiality, incest, etc., take it down.

Because what is listed is also explained. Those content in the story (with the exception of the under 18) are permitted, but are not to be glorified. This discussion is not the first.

 

[yansusustories]

My interpretation is that Tony only cares if the content is encouraging, and he doesn’t care if there’s just a mere presence of incest.

That's how I understood it as well based on the explanation. It is weird that the 'encouragement' part is only in the explanation of 4 but not the title whereas it's different in 3 so I get why people might see it differently. I think though that just because a tag is there, it doesn't mean it's a large part of the story or in any case encouraging.
I haven't read any of the stories featuring incest here but it's definitely possible to have it be present (even to large degree, like the MC's relationship for example) while still making clear it's not encouraging by showing the backlash the couple receives from society at large, friends and family they were previously close to and might now be shunned by, and also the issues they face personally because of thoughts regarding the question whether what they are doing is wrong (and they might arrive at the conclusion that it is).
In such a case, the topic would be featured but is still not encouraging because it clearly shows the downsides. Now, I'm afraid this is not the type of story we usually see on SH but ... just saying it's possible.

 

[iamaducklingwriter]

This thread concerns the conflict between content guidelines and sexual content on this site, and the apparent lack of moderation and blatant disinterest in this matter by scribblehub.

We all know that scribblehub is by this point de facto the literary equivalent of pornhub. It doesn't surprise thus that we even share the last word in common. Maybe we should rebrand and change our name into smuthub. At least, it would do justice to our excellent reputation, but I digress.

We know that something like content guidelines actually exist and there is an interesting section called prohibited content.

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So my question, how serious is the scribblehub moderation about this section of the guidelines? How serious are they about enforcing them? Or do they just exist on paper to escape potential legal lawsuits by proving they enacted the best industry standards?

Because I stumble quite often across that bear proudly their "incest" and "sexual abuse" tag.

Unless I am mistaken, both cases would fall under point 4, and we don't even have to be creative.

As far as I am informed, incest is still a chargeable offence in all states across the US. So if that doesn't constitute an "illegal sex act", what does then?

But I am sure, Tony takes this issue seriously as he was very serious when it came to solving the problem of our toxic community.

Me : *Remembering the one I wrote that is a smut book with little plot *

*chuckles* I'm in danger.

But I agree that these guidelines should be followed. I personally include legal age and mutual consent as my priority when I write smuts. Because y'know, consent is sexy.

But how about making a warning description to warn readers on the content? Like when the plot has rape in it. I know that all writers do that to avoid triggering readers or something.

(I don't know at what standard or level can we actually base the story to be considered safe to publish or write.)

 

[NotYourTypicalMan]

Tony won't updated the Guidelines because some of the authors here doesnt like too many rules placed upon their so called 'freedom'

If you want a quick guide summary Guideline it would be
1. No Necrophilia
2. No Bestiality
3. No Underaged sex

well even though I've seen some story with underaged scenes and pretty sure there are people that reported it but until now, the story is still healthy and alive.

 

[Assurbanipal_II]

That's how I understood it as well based on the explanation. It is weird that the 'encouragement' part is only in the explanation of 4 but not the title whereas it's different in 3 so I get why people might see it differently. I think though that just because a tag is there, it doesn't mean it's a large part of the story or in any case encouraging.
I haven't read any of the stories featuring incest here but it's definitely possible to have it be present (even to large degree, like the MC's relationship for example) while still making clear it's not encouraging by showing the backlash the couple receives from society at large, friends and family they were previously close to and might now be shunned by, and also the issues they face personally because of thoughts regarding the question whether what they are doing is wrong (and they might arrive at the conclusion that it is).
In such a case, the topic would be featured but is still not encouraging because it clearly shows the downsides. Now, I'm afraid this is not the type of story we usually see on SH but ... just saying it's possible.

To clarify, the incest cases all refer to novels with wonderful tags like "slave harem", "harem", "mind control", "mind break", etc.

 

[Poleg]

That is, unless he's willing to pay people to do it. I know some dudes personally that will eat out of your diarrhoea ridden asscheeks for the price of a subway footlong but that's wading into financial territory already.

Really? Maybe you are around people you shouldn't know.

 

[Deleted member 29316]

We really need a clear definition of what consists of those sexually-deviant terms on the Rules. This is because, with the current definition, some authors are exploiting the loopholes, like for example, creating a gender-bent, 18+ character in a body of child and engaging in sexual intercourse and get away with it.

Edit: Clear, as in, written black-and-white on the Rules, and not only being implemented.

 

[Assurbanipal_II]

We really need a clear definition of what consists of those sexually-deviant terms on the Rules. This is because, with the current definition, some authors are exploiting the loopholes, like for example, creating a gender-bent, 18+ character in a body of child and engaging in sexual intercourse and get away with it.

 

[DarkGodEM]

"Age of Consent" ... To my knowledge the only known planet in the known universe with the same length of a year as earth... is earth...

The age of consent must always be 18 years, even if the years are longer or shorter than on those here on earth ?

Or... are fantasy worlds required to have the same length of year as we have here on earth?

Does the 18+ years rule apply to non-humans as well?

No body cares so long as you don't describe a 6yo or something like that

 

[ChronicleCrawler]

Well, this issue must be discussed early. We don't want to talk about it when we already reach 100K members and our web series is full of smuts and borderline topics. And once we regulate that at that time, it will be pandemonium. Let's draw a clear line early, of course, this is my opinion. . So when push comes to shove we will know how to deal with it..

 

[NotaNuffian]

"Age of Consent" ... To my knowledge the only known planet in the known universe with the same length of a year as earth... is earth...

The age of consent must always be 18 years, even if the years are longer or shorter than on those here on earth ?

Or... are fantasy worlds required to have the same length of year as we have here on earth?

Does the 18+ years rule apply to non-humans as well?

Yes, because even if you say Ophis is a 200 yo dragon loli she still looks like a child ffs.

 

[yansusustories]

To clarify, the incest cases all refer to novels with wonderful tags like "slave harem", "harem", "mind control", "mind break", etc.

Yes, but that's still on the implementation, not the topic itself. If having incest itself in the story was the problem, then there shouldn't be a tag for it in the first place. (Because why would you have a tag for something that is against the guidelines regardless of implementation?) In these cases, the use of the topic might be against the guidelines but that doesn't mean it generally is. It just means it is in these cases, should be reported, and dealt with. If genuine reports are not dealt with, then that is a problem.

 

[BenJepheneT]

Really? Maybe you are around people you shouldn't know.

Same goes the other way around. Not you, but the people who know me.

 

[BenJepheneT]

Grasshoppers are tasty if you fry them.

Sadly I require these grasshoppers unfried and undigested so I could have readers. The public may be fickle but there's some speck of gold to be found within the big pile of steaming shit

 

[Poleg]

Isn't this the novel, where she fucks her uncle or something? (don't know, won't read)

 

[AryaX]

Character described as being an adult in their behavior, mentality, etc, but with an appearance of an underage human can't be involved in any sex acts...

What about the inverse? Character described as a child, or childlike in their mentality, but with an adult appearance engaging in sex acts... is... ok?

It is all about appearances?

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About Incest... To my knowledge, illegality of incest isn't by any means universal... Is it illegal, whereever this website is hosted?

 

[Assurbanipal_II]

Isn't this the novel, where she fucks her uncle or something? (don't know, won't read)

I don't know. I just reported it for violating under age sex. This is clearly a novel written to promote loli sex and nothing else. The age 18 mc is just a cheap excuse.

Character described as being an adult in their behavior, mentality, etc, but with an appearance of an underage human can't be involved in any sex acts...

What about the inverse? Character described as a child, or childlike in their mentality, but with an adult appearance engaging in sex acts... is... ok?

It is all about appearances?

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About Incest... To my knowledge, illegality of incest isn't by any means universal... Is it illegal, whereever this website is hosted?

Stop your sophism. You clearly know you are abusing the guidelines judging by your contributions. You are searching for loopholes.

Character described as being an adult in their behavior, mentality, etc, but with an appearance of an underage human can't be involved in any sex acts...

What about the inverse? Character described as a child, or childlike in their mentality, but with an adult appearance engaging in sex acts... is... ok?

It is all about appearances?

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About Incest... To my knowledge, illegality of incest isn't by any means universal... Is it illegal, whereever this website is hosted?

If you need an interpretation, always ask for the ratio legis, the spirit of the law. Why does the rule exist? What is its purpose? That nd not literal meanings should guide the interpretation of a modern society.